Yes 'blinkers'. Because, like all your posts, you have a one dimensional view of things. Is Richards 'electric'? No. But why focus on that? He may not be 'electric' but he is the best taker of a high ball in SL, a veritable points machine with the boot, one of the best finishers in the game, rock solid in defence and never has a bad game. These attributes have brought him individual honours such as 'Man of steel' and the Albert Goldthorpe medal and have seen him become the third highest points scorer in Wigan's history. Compare that with most other wingers in SL (including your own!)

Is Charnley 'World Class'? No, not yet. But he is certainly International class as shown by his recent call up to the England side. He is also one of the best prospects in the English game, current leading try scorer (playing outside your ordinary centre, Goulding) and is more than capable of scoring length of the field tries. Something he seems to do with alarming regularity considering he isn't all that, don't you think? He also outplayed the only British winger than can be considered to be above him, Ryan Hall, when the 2 teams met recently. In fact he made him look distinctly ordinary that day. Not bad for someone in his 2nd full year at first team level. Now let's compare that to your similarly experienced winger, Jamie Foster. Maybe not...

Is Carmont 'past his best'? Actually no, so I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Carmont, over the last couple of seasons, has been playing the best rugby of his career. In fact I would go so far as to say he has been one of the best, and certainly most consistent, centres in superleague; a point borne out by his inclusion in the Dream Team. He hasn't even lost any pace. Bizarrely he seems to have become quicker over recent seasons! This could be down to him having played with injuries over the early part of his Wigan career. I think the only grain of truth I can extract from your statement would be that he needs to be used more sparingly in terms of game time than he might have once been. However, on the field he is every bit as good, and probably even better, than he has ever been.

As for Goulding....well you're so far off the mark with this one, it's hard to know where to start! I can only assume that you haven't seen much of him this season (and perhaps watched the Good Friday game with your eyes closed!). Quite simply, he's been the best centre on the field in practically every game he's played this year and was again on Friday. It's no surprise that his winger is the leading scorer in SL and that he is currently 5th on the list for clean breaks. His defence has been outstanding. He is MOST CERTAINLY better than the majority of SL centres on current form. Kallum Watkins and Ryan Atkins are probably bettering him at the moment but I can think of few others. In fact, here's a challenge for you; for your comment to be true there would need to be 15 better centres than him currently plying their trade in SL, so name them!

The fact is, there are few 'world class' players in England and even fewer three quarters. However, the Wigan 4 are as good as any in Superleague and much, much better than most. That's the simple truth. Anything else you care to spout is just so much hot air.

Your lot were up for it for our game. Roby was dictating fast plays when required, Monas normally dloes that for us. But we were our own worse enemy, we were continually trying stupid offloads, giving away daft penalties or gifting possession to you. we have been like that all season (hudds away excepted). The only time we had the ball in the first half was inside our 20m line.

I agree with the original point of the thread. Two out of three has been a very good effort. Losing to Wigan without our main playmaker for most of the game is nothing to be ashamed of. Given what we all feared when we lost to two shocking teams in Hull and Bradford what would happen when we played the 3 big clubs.

The team has played very well over the last few weeks given what happened before

2 out of 3 has been a great turnaround. The season and the real hard work starts now however - we need to win another 10 league games and then find a gameplan that'll bring wins in the playoffs. The last 3 games have shown that we are more than capable of doing that but there's a long way to go yet.

This would be Hull who are presently second in the league and Bradford who just beat Leeds? And remember, we haven't won at Bradford since 2007.

Yep it was all fine under Royce the new team have changed nothing we did not really beat Leeds or Wire and only the last loss counts and taken as a stand alone it justifies my point of view.

I was no hater of Royce but I'm fast becoming one the more of this I hear. I've been tempted on a few occasions to risk Liable and probably a permanent ban to post some things on here, but thankfully sense has prevailed.

It's libel btw.

I think you should take your own advice.

We've upped our game the last few weeks and I think that the Wigan performance was as much down to it being the third big game in a row as much as anything, I thought our energy levels didn't look good.