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| Quote: bewareshadows "But given the choice of players for Captain????'"
I really don't see any obvious candidate on the pitch. Yeah, Wilkin could do a job. But it's a bit like picking Steve McClaren as the England manager.
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| Don't worry, about a thing.
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| Quote: Mugwump "There isn't a team in the land that has an entire pack of consistent performers. In any case I don't see consistency as the issue. It's [icohesion[/i or lack thereof.'"
I can see your point re. lack of cohesion. I think we're relying on individuals at the moment and the whole side isn't pulling their weight both offensively and defensively. Our defensive structure looks all over the place right now.
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| Given the negativity on here, I'm scared to check redvee......
I still think the team has enough in it and it's fixable. But the question is will it get fixed?
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| I would play Gaskell at scrum half and Lomax at stand off, keep Lance away from the half back positions and put him to full back. Lomax and Lance are mis fits in the side at the moment, Simmo is not doing any set plays with these two, he needs to make his mind up what his best back line should be.
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| Quote: Blobbynator "I can see your point re. lack of cohesion. I think we're relying on individuals at the moment and the whole side isn't pulling their weight both offensively and defensively. Our defensive structure looks all over the place right now.'"
I agree.
We have lazy forwards - they don't leg drive in attack and they don't work hard in defence. And Wello shouldn't be on the pitch. (I never thought I would say that)
Royce won't do it because I think he's soft, but I'd drop one or two of our forwards and stick some newbies in there who will be hungry to show the coach what they can do. It worked a treat for us last season; we should try it again this season, but on this occasion by choice rather than by necessity.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "I still think the team has enough in it and it's fixable. But the question is will it get fixed?'"
Not with the forwards and fullback we have, no.
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| Quote: Blobbynator "I can see your point re. lack of cohesion. I think we're relying on individuals at the moment and the whole side isn't pulling their weight both offensively and defensively. Our defensive structure looks all over the place right now.'"
There's just nobody dragging the team forward and backwards whilst bawling in their ears. Even top class players will look like amateurs if there isn't strong leadership on the pitch.
Now we're finding out precisely what James Graham's true worth was.
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| Just a thought I had mid week, bit from left field..
Wheeler and Gaskell at halfback???
Personally I think the half back combo of Gaskell and Lomax is fine, we were not short on points. It's the amount coming in not going out!
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| Quote: Mugwump "Now we're finding out precisely what James Graham's true worth was.'"
He's also missed around the ruck, where he would clean up with Robes.
But then we all knew what Jammer's true worth was. Or at least those of us with eyes in our head did anyway! He is a massive miss and there was a great big Jammer shaped hole on the pitch today with nobody able and/or willing to take on the mantle.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Just a thought I had mid week, bit from left field..
Wheeler and Gaskell at halfback???'"
That's a hell of a lot of inexperience. Especially if Gaskell has an off day with his kicking like he did today. Wheeler would have to lead the team and I'm not sure he has it in him - yet.
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| Quote: Mugwump "That's a hell of a lot of inexperience. Especially if Gaskell has an off day with his kicking like he did today. Wheeler would have to lead the team and I'm not sure he has it in him - yet.'"
I thought Wheeler was going to Wigan?
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| In terms of leadership? You don't have to be the captain to hold a player down? In the last 30 seconds we could afford to give away penalties ad infinitum. Don't give me sportsmanship, give me someone willing to hold down to the hooter and suffer the sinbin.
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| Or you could go down in a voluntary tackle, but dont mention that to Bradford fans...
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| Few things that are worrying for me at the moment, but nowhere near bad enough to be calling for Simmons to be sacked, more things I hope he recognises and works on/changes:
- We're struggling to gain any meters forward. Even when we were on top in the first half it was down to good positional kicking and in your face defence in their half. Our forwards are simply not making enough yards. If we're without TP now, then I hate to think how much of a struggle we're going to have to compensate for him.
- A lot has been said about not playing the 17th man, and it was very frustrating tonight. Catalans were dead on their feet at times, Hohaia should have been introduced around the ruck, allowing Roby to move to LF or 2nd row for a period. Bringing an attacking, elusive player on for 10 minutes when you should be knuckling down and closing the game down is not the right move.
- I do wonder if signing Hohaia has mucked up the equilibrium in the backs somewhat. Gaskell and Lomax were fantastic in the first half, and showed just why they should be the starting halfbacks from now on in. With the team captain at FB, this spot is also taken, so where do you play him without putting someone's nose out of joint? This takes us back to the above point; utilise him as an impact sub, 20 mins per half, allowing Roby to rest, or move to LF or 2nd row to help try and gain some yards.
These are just things that were niggling at me tonight, and whilst they are being used as sticks to beat him with in other threads, I would just like to see him try and rectify the issues before demanding his head forthwidth.
Makinson was a plus point tonight; that lad really is some player.
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