About 3 weeks into the season I was talking to one of the younger Saints players and he told me that let's just say a strong percentage of the team can't motivate themselves to play for Nathan Brown, as none of them want him in charge. They all wanted Cunningham to get the job. You've shown what you can do when you want to play, against us at the HJ for example. And I think it is embarrassing for your club the way a lot of your older players are performing. They're paid to play rugby not decide who is in charge and I can see it continuing until Brown gets the sack

Or maybe these senior players can't motivate themselves because Brown won't give them new deals.

A really useful point about Kez is he a help or a hindrance around the place I suppose time will tell

If they can't be bothered playing whilst they're still under contract it's not going to earn them a new one.

What is KC,s official capacity is he defence coach or conditioner or both. I ask because we have one of the laziest defences in superleague and we seem to the unfittest side in the competition.

For me the problem last night
wasn't the fact we lost
wasn't the fact we have injuries
wasn't the fact that we were playing a supposedly weaker team
wasn't the fact we had lots of rookies in the team
it was the fact that as a collective the Saints team didn't show that they care, I saw very few players getting angry or frustrated. I want any player that puts on the red vee to give everything they can. If they are playing crap or brilliant that's all I ask (I am happy to leave the picking of players on performance or need to the coach) just show me that you care that we are losing (or winning) and you want to do something about it. I expect this type of attitude from players at all Rugby teams - for me it is one of the great differentiators between Rugby and Wendyball.

Last night I didn't see anything like enough examples of this I don't give 2 s what the reason is behind this, if its the coaches fault then get his boss to read him the riot act. If its the players playing at silly buggers then they need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask if that is the attitude of a man or a child.

Whatever the reason Saints get it sorted or you will be in danger of damaging this club - perhaps irrevocably.

You cannot let the inmates run the asylum. Regardless of how good the player is, you have to look at the bigger picture.
If you have a garden full of weeds, you don't throw the grass out and keep the weeds.

And stick one of the biggest weeds in a plant pot and pretend it is a sunflower.

KC is supposed to be coaching the forwards. He appears to be failing, with one or two exceptions. I don't know whether he still has his assistant conditioner responsibilities.

If he,s coaching the forwards then he,s responsible for making them soft ed and weak the exact opposite of what he was capable of.
Every seasoned forward has gone backwards with the exception of Sia.

Isn't it? Performance doesn't seem to dictate anything at Saints. I'm sure LMS, for example, could continue with his low tackle but high penalty count every match for the full season and never be dropped even if we had a dozen better young props ready and raring to go.

Well that's true.

i'd send perry, lafaranchi and lance to rochdale or even cumbrian for a couple of months, let them get mardy and quit

I wonder if there is still talk about offering LMS an improved contract.

I bloody hope not. Contracts should be earned. In fact I take it back , we should give him a contract that has a built in 'stupid penalty clause' that means he gets fined £500 for every stupid penalty he gives away.