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| Quote Top Saint="Top Saint"And what happens when the same flaws surface again. Notice I said when not if. He has a lot of potential, but not as a half back.
Is plan B going to be Lance again? God help us all if that's the case. Wheeler maybe if he stays fit.
To be certain of success we need a proven half back to partner Lomax. If we have to buy one then so be it!!!!'"
It's pretty clear we ain't bringing in a halfback. IMO Gaskell is better #6 than lance so I'd go with him.
I don't think we can go another year with lance at stand off, he's just not a stand off. He's no rugby brain, can't control a game, no kicking game and not creative enough.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"It's pretty clear we ain't bringing in a halfback. IMO Gaskell is better #6 than lance so I'd go with him.
I don't think we can go another year with lance at stand off, he's just not a stand off. He's no rugby brain, can't control a game, no kicking game and not creative enough.'"
Exactly. Gaskell may not be tommy martin but he's better than lance now
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| Quote Saint Simon="Saint Simon"Exactly. Gaskell may not be tommy martin but he's better than lance now'"
Can't argue with that. Just a thought, ask Tommy to pull his boots back on now and he would be better than both of them!!!!
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Blah, blah, blah... unrelated and unprovoked attack on Paul Wellens blah, blah...'"
You are feeling very sleepy..... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............
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| Quote Top Saint="Top Saint"I would generally agree but for 1 detail, He never learned from a single mistake in the 2011 season and continually took the wrong option in attack. I could have accepted this as it was his first full season but he then proceeded to carry the same flaws into the the 2012 season and was quite rightly dropped from the team. Unfortunately our only other viable option was Lance.'"
I find it hard to believe that he failed to learn from a single mistake. I agree that he was quite rightly dropped, his form and confidence had gone.
Quote Top SaintNow you try to use the same argument with lomax but fail to realise that his game is based on running good lines and supporting play in a similar way to McGuire at Leeds. He isn't expected to do any ball handling because it is not his game. Leeds have an organising scrum half to do that job.'"
A half back isn't expected to do any ball handling? Like I said, excuses, excuses.
Quote Top SaintThe main problem Saints have is the lack of an organising half back. Gaskell is not the answer because he is not reliable enough at super league level. I am actually on record as stating that he would make a good centre. I am not discounting him as a player, only as a half back.'"
He's not reliable at the moment. But very few kids are at this stage in their career.
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"He's not reliable at the moment. But very few kids are at this stage in their career.'"
Sean long was pretty average for his first few seasons, only learning from Tommy and a couple of seasons of experience brought the player we now remember
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| Long as I recall used to do alot of running about, but had many aspects that he worked on over time. Even when Anderson came in I recall his kicking game getting a boost. We are talking of a player there in his late 20's.
The difference and it's a major difference is the people around him, Cunningham, Joynt, Sculthorpe, Martyn, Hammond, in a team like that you get time to make mistakes and make progress. In our current team players with the creative aspect are not given time. Because of weaknesses elsewhere we have this clamour for an instant halfback. But I think even someone like brough would get it in the neck, because the nature of being a creative half is that you take risks and take chances and you back yourself.
I recall the game against Huddersfield last year where we lost by 1 point. This was a match that Gaskell played. He was not played off the park by Brough and Huddersfield were in red hot form. He more than held his own and gave as good as he got from Brough that day. But because we don't see Huddersfield week in and week out, we don't see the kicks out on the full, the run's when he should have passed etc against other teams.
Given where we are and that we are not going to sign another half, then Gaskell must play, if we can pull another half like Brough out the bag then fine he will get in ahead of Gaskell.
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"A half back isn't expected to do any ball handling? Like I said, excuses, excuses.'"
A lot of good half backs could not ball handle. Schofield and Hanley being 2. They were both excellent at backing up and devastating runners but their passing game was woeful.
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| Quote Top Saint="Top Saint"A lot of good half backs could not ball handle. Schofield and Hanley being 2. They were both excellent at backing up and devastating runners but their passing game was woeful.'"
Hence the reason why Graham Lowe moved Hanley to loose forward, he was was never a half back. This then allowed a pair of real halfbacks (Edwards and Gregory) to perform with Hanley running off them.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Hence the reason why Graham Lowe moved Hanley to loose forward, he was was never a half back. This then allowed a pair of real halfbacks (Edwards and Gregory) to perform with Hanley running off them.'"
Edwards wasn't much better. He made his name backing up the real half backs. This is actually my point regarding Lomax, He wouldn't need to be a ball playing half back if he had a decent half back partner. Jonny playing with an Andy Gregory type half back would be devastating.
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| Quote Top Saint="Top Saint"Edwards wasn't much better. He made his name backing up the real half backs. This is actually my point regarding Lomax, He wouldn't need to be a ball playing half back if he had a decent half back partner. Jonny playing with an Andy Gregory type half back would be devastating.'"
Lomax has neither Edwards pace, kicking game or rugby nous.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Lomax has neither Edwards pace, kicking game or rugby nous.'"
Lomax is playing in the halves at an age when Edwards was getting trampled by Mal Menninga at fullback.
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