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Quote: FearTheVee "Both better players than Connolly IMO. Connolly was very good and incredibly consistent, but Iro/Lyon were/are "X Factor" players, something Connolly never was as far as I'm concerned.

For raw talent, Lyon over Iro. Iro had a real physical presence that Lyon lacked though.

Can you imagine Lyon with Iro's physique? Jeepers.'"

That's Greg inglis isn't it?

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I thought his attack was under rated, tbh. He was very quick over 100m, although he did have the luxury of playing for Wigan in 94 and 95 which may have given him extra freedom to show it. IMO, anyone who got to see Paul Newlove's tenure at saints is as privaliged as a speccy can be.
Would I have taken GC over Iro or Lyon? Mmmm.....'"


GC was very fast over 100m. I recall him chasing Dean hanger and hanger having a 20 meter start on him, he chased him down and got him just before our try line.

Moving GC from fullback to centre was a master stroke, he was to slow at picking the ball up on kicks at fullback, it used to take him ages to pick it up, then he'd just trott up to the defensive line.

When he moved to centre, he gave his side great defence and was very good with the ball as he was quick and very very strong.

Saints have had some great centres over the years, lockers, Gibbs, newlove, iro, Lyon, talau and gidley but IMO it's a close contest between Lyon and newy.

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Connolly was also one of these players who were naturally fit. I remember seeing him leaving the gound about an hour after a Wigan v Saints game at Central Park (he was still at Saints then) Connolly could hardly walk as he was leaving the ground, and looked in a lot of pain, and I thought that's him out for a few weeks.

Needless to say he was in the side for Saints the week after. He was a very strong and durable player.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Connolly was also one of these players who were naturally fit. I remember seeing him leaving the gound about an hour after a Wigan v Saints game at Central Park (he was still at Saints then) Connolly could hardly walk as he was leaving the ground, and looked in a lot of pain, and I thought that's him out for a few weeks.

Needless to say he was in the side for Saints the week after. He was a very strong and durable player.'"



The amount of beer he used to get through it's amazing he could play at the level he did.

SLSM was a good watch and just confirmed what I already knew, Gary was forced into the arms of the enemy by our short sighted board of the time.

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I thought Connolly came across as insincere. If he wanted to stay with Saints, why did he go to Canterbury? Why was he willing to play for Wigan for free but whined about the offer Saints made? And why is he 'telling the truth' now but not then? There aren't as many holes in a teabag as there were in Connolly's story.

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Quote: SaintsFan "I thought Connolly came across as insincere. If he wanted to stay with Saints, why did he go to Canterbury? Why was he willing to play for Wigan for free but whined about the offer Saints made? And why is he 'telling the truth' now but not then? There aren't as many holes in a teabag as there were in Connolly's story.'"



To be fair to Gary, he is thick as a bulls d*ck

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Come on Saints fan cut him a break. He was going to Canterbury and was sold to Wigan. He asked not to go and wanted 3k more to stay at Saints. Board said no and he went to Wigan for double his wage.

He may have planned to go to Canterbury, but that's no worse than Graham. Could you imagine the constanation if the board told Graham no, but we've sold you to Wigan for 400k.

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Quote: bewareshadows "Come on Saints fan cut him a break. He was going to Canterbury and was sold to Wigan. He asked not to go and wanted 3k more to stay at Saints. Board said no and he went to Wigan for double his wage. '"

Interesting, though, that when people were speculating over what Eastmond might be wanting, people were thinking that maybe Eastmond was putting too high a value on himself? I think that might have been Connolly's problem also. We weren't in the same financial league as Wigan. And, as Connolly also said, how could anyone turn down playing for Wigan when they had all those great players (who they had doubled the wages of from other clubs no doubt!)?

I don't have to give him a break. He got all the money and glory he craved. I'm quite sure the rest of the Saints team of that time would have liked Wigan sized wages too but Saints were not in a position to pay. To me it all sounded like a fair deal: Connolly wanted out (first to Canterbury then to Wigan), Saints needed money. Fair dinkum.

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Quote: St pete "To be fair to Gary, he is thick as a bulls d*ck'"

icon_biggrin.gif He is, isn't he? He looked really gormless to! Suited Wigan down to the ground actually. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: SaintsFan "icon_biggrin.gif He is, isn't he? He looked really gormless to! Suited Wigan down to the ground actually.
I was only a kid when he played as a young lad at Wembley. After the game, a pie eater put me on his shoulders and took mecon the Wembley pitch. I recall giving Gary a hug and he was crying his eyes out.

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Quote: McClennan "As great as Lyon was (and for two seasons he was the best centre to play for a team over here since Meninga or Danny Moore), .'"

I like the way you did that just to see who was paying attention icon_razz.gif

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At the time I was devastated when judas left, but the fact that his transfer fee brought in newlove was a great bit of business, much as binning Gleeson enabled us to get Lyon. Worst thing about judas was his habit of scoring against us in big games. To**er

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Quote: SaintsFan "Interesting, though, that when people were speculating over what Eastmond might be wanting, people were thinking that maybe Eastmond was putting too high a value on himself? I think that might have been Connolly's problem also. We weren't in the same financial league as Wigan. And, as Connolly also said, how could anyone turn down playing for Wigan when they had all those great players (who they had doubled the wages of from other clubs no doubt!)?

I don't have to give him a break. He got all the money and glory he craved. I'm quite sure the rest of the Saints team of that time would have liked Wigan sized wages too but Saints were not in a position to pay. To me it all sounded like a fair deal Fair dinkum.'"


He wanted the going rate for a quality player and theres nothing wrong with that,he actually would of taken less from Saints than Canterbury would pay him.He didnt crave money and glory.He would of loved to of stayed at Saints but Saints wanted to pay him peanuts,he didnt want to play for our rivals but was sold and didnt have a choice in it.And you mention why would he play for Wigan for free ? look at the stage of his career he was at,it was his last few games of a great career you cant compare that to the stuff that went on at Saints at the begining of his career.For the sake of £3000 the board let him go.

Maybe im biased being an ex Blackbrook player and been coached by his father in law,but Gary is a very nice fella who over the years has taken a ton of crap for something that was never his fault.

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Quote: brook40 "He wanted the going rate for a quality player and theres nothing wrong with that,he actually would of taken less from Saints than Canterbury would pay him.He didnt crave money and glory.He would of loved to of stayed at Saints but Saints wanted to pay him peanuts,he didnt want to play for our rivals but was sold and didnt have a choice in it.And you mention why would he play for Wigan for free ? look at the stage of his career he was at,it was his last few games of a great career you cant compare that to the stuff that went on at Saints at the begining of his career.For the sake of £3000 the board let him go.

Maybe im biased being an ex Blackbrook player and been coached by his father in law,but Gary is a very nice fella who over the years has taken a ton of crap for something that was never his fault.'"


I agree, Gary is top lad and very down to earth.

He used to like a few pints tho icon_wink.gif


How old are you mate?

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