To be fair I think that Saints have been going down hill since Anderson left. Think the coaching and the way the set up has been run is very unprofessional. They need a strong first team coach who wants to change the attitude of players and staff. The fitness of players has gone down since Apollo left. The determination of players has gone down since Anderson left.

Nothing to do with any of that stuff in my opinion.

The simple fact is (and Wigan learnt this the hard way) is that you can't lose the likes of Long, Sculthorpe, Cunningham et al who were all top class players who could influence and win games on their own and replace them with kids and average players and expect to be the same force.

Add in to the mix age seemingly catching up with Wellens and the injury to the best player in the side (Pryce) then Simmons is going to have issues,as did Potter and as will anyone until a bit of serious quality is added to the back line.

Shaun McRea is a super coach too.

I've been saying the same thing more or less for the last 3 years and had my head chewed off by certain members on here.

All this rubbish like we dont need to bring someone in to replace eastmond as we've got Gaskell, we don't need to replace Pryce as we've got lomax ain't going to work.

It would be great if we did just keep bringing youth through to replace players but you've got to be very very lucky for that to happen.


Over the past few years we've lost long, KC, scully, gilmour and not replaced one of them with a good enough replacement. When players like that leave who are huge influence on the team they need to replaced by top quality players not untried young kids.

I would agree with you about Long but as for Sculthorpe many of your fans rate Wilkin and whilst Cunningham had the heart of the team your fans rate Roby and maybe Moore. Should you really have got rid of Matty Smith?

Still think attitude of Head Coach also has a lot do with it. Look at Wigan last season. Maguire won the GF with only 1 new player Deakin. All the others were the so called 'mediocre' players that Noble had. He doesn't stand for attitude or slacking. Gleeson has found this to his cost.

But also, as you have just said, you only had one new player. We have had a significant turnaround in staff for this season, most of it out of the door. But that means we are not the settled side you were when your new coach arrived. Daniel Anderson did for us what Maguire has done for you.

I don't see how the signings of Shenton, perry and LMS make us a unsettled side. They was three very good signings for us.

I know it's early days but the signing of royce Simmons seems to be saints biggest mistake.

We look like a team that's just been thrown together with no game plan, no direction, no leadership, no attack and can't tackle.

I don't usually get to OTT in the past when we've looked bad but il be honest and say I'm very very worried about this current team and coach.

Dont be ridiculous far too early to be calling or his head.
Too many off-field antics going on at minute needto be sorted and ten we can concentrate on playing some rugby league!!

Maybe if sorted before the season we could have started the season playing rugby.

I'd rather have Michael Maguire.

Defenitley agree but dont think it was Roys fault as its not like he has been with the club for a long period of time before start of season. First year in charge and left with a mess to clean up.

"When you give 18 points away you need a lot of things to go in your favour... once we scored and got on top they got an intercept and that was the end of the game. You can't consistently win games from 18 down." That is very negative, can you hear Milward saying that? What happened to us being the comeback kings, and never write us off? With an attitude like that, its no wonder the team's heads went down. www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/646

"When you give 18 points away you need a lot of things to go in your favour... once we scored and got on top they got an intercept and that was the end of the game. You can't consistently win games from 18 down." That is very negative, can you hear Milward saying that? What happened to us being the comeback kings, and never write us off? With an attitude like that, its no wonder the team's heads went down. www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/646