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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"It's statements such as the above which make me wonder how genuine you're being and whether your antipathy toward Mose is based on facts, observable evidence and reason or plain old prejudice.
I find it damning that nothing I can say will [i"change your mind"[/i - even though your initial claim that Mose's figures on hit ups, tackles, yards etc. would be substantially below Walmsley's and Amor's has been proven wide of the mark. (It begs the question why are you discussing Mose's attitude as though it's a matter which is up for debate when your mind is already fixed??)
Opinions are not inherently equal. Throughout I have supported mine with statistics, indisputable evidence (he's never been dropped, he's never missed a game, he's always the first man in protecting a team mate etc.) and reason (Mose's carrying seventy odd pounds more than Amor etc. etc.)
So far the best you've managed to come up with is circular logic ("Mose's lazy" - BUT BASED ON WHAT?) and your own observations.
Let's flip this argument around and see how genuine you are.
[i"PRECISELY WHAT would it take for you to think Mose isn't lazy?"[/i
If, as you claim, you are being fair to Mose then you won't have any objection to laying down REASONABLE (Mose's inability to match Kyle Amor's workrate given his vastly greater mass is NOT REASONABLE), and more importantly, TESTABLE criteria.
On the flipside, I'm quite happy to look at my position again if you can point to public statements made by the coach in which he has repeatedly identified Mose as a "lazy" player.'"
Why the really long post? For the third time now, I've said let's agree to disagree but you're insistent on carrying it on.
I notice you like to make very long posts that branch off in lots of different directions and just reading them are exhausting, to the point it would take a fair bit of time dissecting them, just to reply to all your points.
My point is, it's rarely a reasonable debate with you. No doubt in the next post or two, you'll question my intelligence or call me an idiot. |
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| Quote Twentyman="Twentyman"Why the really long post? For the third time now, I've said let's agree to disagree but you're insistent on carrying it on.
I notice you like to make very long posts that branch off in lots of different directions and just reading them are exhausting, to the point it would take a fair bit of time dissecting them, just to reply to all your points.
My point is, it's rarely a reasonable debate with you. No doubt in the next post or two, you'll question my intelligence or call me an idiot.'"
So reading a long post exhausts you, yet when Mose puts his hands on his hips after three or four drives and a handful of tackles he is being lazy.  |
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| Quote redex113="redex113"So reading a long post exhausts you, yet when Mose puts his hands on his hips after three or four drives and a handful of tackles he is being lazy.
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| Quote Twentyman="Twentyman"Why the really long post? For the third time now, I've said let's agree to disagree but you're insistent on carrying it on.
I notice you like to make very long posts that branch off in lots of different directions and just reading them are exhausting, to the point it would take a fair bit of time dissecting them, just to reply to all your points.
My point is, it's rarely a reasonable debate with you. No doubt in the next post or two, you'll question my intelligence or call me an idiot.'"
For God's sake man, you're not reading War & Peace.
I blame Facebook (which encouraged the idea that complex arguments and ideas can be conveyed in a paragraph). Then came Twitter (down to 255 characters). 
If you think I'm not being reasonable then [iexplain why[/i. I [uDO YOU[/u that courtesy. As for judging your intelligence - I can only make a call on what you write. Or don't.
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| By the way, if you think I'm being awkward in here you should trade places with some of my previous employers.
It's not a successful day unless I see that blood vessel near the eye pulsing away like a neutron star.  |
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Sorry Mugwump, I can't see what's to gain from continuing this debate with you apart from us repeating ourselves and dragging it on and on. You're not going to change your opinion and neither am I.
What we both have in common is that we both want to see Masoe play well. Let's hope he does a job on Leeds.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"This is getting tedious and we're going in circles.
You're entitled to your opinion. It's not mine.'"
Quote Mugwump="Twentyman"I've typed out several responses and deleted them, because I figured, what is the point with getting into this discussion? You have an opinion, so do I, and they're different. You won't change my mind.'"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmzYEzFoDI
I'll always have a soft spot for Mose after the start to the grand final.... it set the tone, wigan were rattled, which led to Flower losing the custard. It goes a little noticed because of what came after but look at the shot he put on O'loughlin at 4.54mins. Yes it was off the ball, possibly slightly late, yes he's been penalized for it in the past, but for me that shook him, put him off his game - we didn't see him....and this is for me, what Saints lack, this aggression, niggling, intimidation is the only thing what lets us down. Leeds had it over us for years....it would annoy me so much....bar Graham and Cunningham (and let's face it, it wasn't as if they were going to throw a punch), they were the only guys who gave it back....now since Mose has arrived he has been that guy to dish out, that guy so desperately missed. Yes, he goes missing, yes he can be a little lazy, but when he turns it on, its so effective and it's exactly what we'll miss next year.
Who will bring the aggression next season? They best get shopping because it'll be needed to lift that title again!
Same again tonight vs Leeds please Mose!
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I'll always have a soft spot for Mose after the start to the grand final.... it set the tone, wigan were rattled, which led to Flower losing the custard. It goes a little noticed because of what came after but look at the shot he put on O'loughlin at 4.54mins. Yes it was off the ball, possibly slightly late, yes he's been penalized for it in the past, but for me that shook him, put him off his game - we didn't see him....and this is for me, what Saints lack, this aggression, niggling, intimidation is the only thing what lets us down. Leeds had it over us for years....it would annoy me so much....bar Graham and Cunningham (and let's face it, it wasn't as if they were going to throw a punch), they were the only guys who gave it back....now since Mose has arrived he has been that guy to dish out, that guy so desperately missed. Yes, he goes missing, yes he can be a little lazy, but when he turns it on, its so effective and it's exactly what we'll miss next year.
Who will bring the aggression next season? They best get shopping because it'll be needed to lift that title again!
Same again tonight vs Leeds please Mose!
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| Quote IANmarra="IANmarra"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmzYEzFoDI
I'll always have a soft spot for Mose after the start to the grand final.... it set the tone, wigan were rattled, which led to Flower losing the custard. It goes a little noticed because of what came after but look at the shot he put on O'loughlin at 4.54mins. Yes it was off the ball, possibly slightly late, yes he's been penalized for it in the past, but for me that shook him, put him off his game - we didn't see him....and this is for me, what Saints lack, this aggression, niggling, intimidation is the only thing what lets us down. Leeds had it over us for years....it would annoy me so much....bar Graham and Cunningham (and let's face it, it wasn't as if they were going to throw a punch), they were the only guys who gave it back....now since Mose has arrived he has been that guy to dish out, that guy so desperately missed. Yes, he goes missing, yes he can be a little lazy, but when he turns it on, its so effective and it's exactly what we'll miss next year.
Who will bring the aggression next season? They best get shopping because it'll be needed to lift that title again!
Same again tonight vs Leeds please Mose!'"
Good post, we will miss Mose the Monster next season. |
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He has also scored 9 tries out of 50 games, which isn't a bad strike rate for a front rower.
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