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| Quote: St. Etrigan "First things first - my heartfelt condolences to all of his immediate family and friends. The tragic circumstances of this incident go wider than rugby. Terry RIP
But can I offer the viewpoint (and if I am completely out of step with the rest of the RL fans then I apologize for any hurt this may cause) that at the showpiece event of Rugby League in this country we should not be seen to be honouring a man who is currently banned from the sport due to willingly taking illegal drugs that , by his own admission, he was taking because he thought they were undetectable not because he made a mistake or had been taking them unbeknownst to himself.
Now with this being the very last domestic game it does put clubs in an awkward position. And I would fully endorse and encourage a minutes silence being held at the grounds where he has played for the teams Leeds, Wigan, Bradford, Wakefield at their next home games as that is a more personal show of respect. But, as is the case now, if a past player dies then it is very rare that this respectful showing is actually held away from the clubs he has played for.
If the RFL do decide to hold this silence on Saturday then I hope that everyone does respect it - but I have a horrible feeling that with the ill feeling some sections of the Saints support have towards the man then this could end up looking very bad - I hope I am massively wrong.'"
I think you make very good points. As awful as this news is, I don't think it would be fitting to have a minute's silence on Saturday. Rugby League fans will be able to pay their respects in many other ways over the coming days.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Thank you for your respect. He must have been a troubled man.
His family must be devastated.
I hope they don't have a minutes silence because I'm sure somebody will disrespect it, then somebody else will have their opinion and we all know where it will lead to from there.
Again many thanks for your comments, it's quite humbling.'"
The majority of us are decent human beings. Life is far more important than sport and whatever any of us may have thought of Newton as a player, nobody would wish this on him and we should all offer our condolences to his friends and family. A very sad loss and as Rugby League fans we come together as a community in sad times like this.
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| Quote: St. Etrigan "First things first - my heartfelt condolences to all of his immediate family and friends. The tragic circumstances of this incident go wider than rugby. Terry RIP
But can I offer the viewpoint (and if I am completely out of step with the rest of the RL fans then I apologize for any hurt this may cause) that at the showpiece event of Rugby League in this country we should not be seen to be honouring a man who is currently banned from the sport due to willingly taking illegal drugs that , by his own admission, he was taking because he thought they were undetectable not because he made a mistake or had been taking them unbeknownst to himself.
Now with this being the very last domestic game it does put clubs in an awkward position. And I would fully endorse and encourage a minutes silence being held at the grounds where he has played for the teams Leeds, Wigan, Bradford, Wakefield at their next home games as that is a more personal show of respect. But, as is the case now, if a past player dies then it is very rare that this respectful showing is actually held away from the clubs he has played for.
If the RFL do decide to hold this silence on Saturday then I hope that everyone does respect it - but I have a horrible feeling that with the ill feeling some sections of the Saints support have towards the man then this could end up looking very bad - I hope I am massively wrong.'"
I can see where you are coming from but don't agree. I don't think that one aspect should be allowed to overshadow the fact that a great player has died in such a tragic way.
Something should be done on Saturday, be in a silence a minute or Wigan players wearing black armbands for the game.
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| Quote: St. Etrigan "First things first - my heartfelt condolences to all of his immediate family and friends. The tragic circumstances of this incident go wider than rugby. Terry RIP
But can I offer the viewpoint (and if I am completely out of step with the rest of the RL fans then I apologize for any hurt this may cause) that at the showpiece event of Rugby League in this country we should not be seen to be honouring a man who is currently banned from the sport due to willingly taking illegal drugs that , by his own admission, he was taking because he thought they were undetectable not because he made a mistake or had been taking them unbeknownst to himself.
Now with this being the very last domestic game it does put clubs in an awkward position. And I would fully endorse and encourage a minutes silence being held at the grounds where he has played for the teams Leeds, Wigan, Bradford, Wakefield at their next home games as that is a more personal show of respect. But, as is the case now, if a past player dies then it is very rare that this respectful showing is actually held away from the clubs he has played for.
If the RFL do decide to hold this silence on Saturday then I hope that everyone does respect it - but I have a horrible feeling that with the ill feeling some sections of the Saints support have towards the man then this could end up looking very bad - I hope I am massively wrong.'"
Agree with all of that. The additional problem with the Grand Final is the increased amounts of alcohol intake combined with larger numbers than usual of gangs of senseless idiots. And of course this time it has even more emotion linked to it with it being the local derby.
As someone else suggested, if they do do it, have an applause rather than a silence, that way people can opt out of applauding without the shameful booing causing upset.
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| It is very very sad that the only time Rugby League gets the "Top Story" on BBC Sport is when a player is found dead, it really does pain me we are looked down on such much by so many.
Obviously Terry wasn't my favourite player for many a on-field reason but I would never ever wish this on my worst enemy or any other family.
No matter who you support Terry deserves the best of respect.
Such a sorry way to end. Thoughts are with the Newton Family.
R.I.P Tez
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| Quote: St. Etrigan "But can I offer the viewpoint (and if I am completely out of step with the rest of the RL fans then I apologize for any hurt this may cause) that at the showpiece event of Rugby League in this country we should not be seen to be honouring a man who is currently banned from the sport due to willingly taking illegal drugs that , by his own admission, he was taking because he thought they were undetectable not because he made a mistake or had been taking them unbeknownst to himself.'"
I agree with this.
I also think it is a far safer and wiser option to do nothing on this occasion.
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| R.I.P Tez. I feel so sorry for his family.
this puts Wigan massive favourites now for the grand final.
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| Quote: gateaux "Wigan players wearing black armbands for the game.'"
I think that would be a completely appropriate way of showing their respect for one of their own - and the Wigan supporters can show their own respect by a similar action or - as many are intimating - having the name Newton put on their shirt - or whatever means they feel is most appropriate.
Just as a point of clarification I would feel that the silence was inappropriate if this were any other player from any other club who was currently serving a Drugs ban in the same circumstances.
The uniqueness of this tragic event I feel is completely un parallelled in any sport so we do not have any blue print to work from.
I hope that whetever action is taken that we do not give none RL supporters the chance to discredit our sport or the memory of Terry Newton.
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| As much as people disliked Terry, he was one of the best hookers that England and GB has had in recent years.
I for one will respect a man who had the heart and determination to play our great game at the top level and owned up to his wrong doings and took his punishment.
RIP Terry
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| Quote: Stumpy "Not a board for airing an opinion now then?'"
Say what you want pal and lets see if the decent amomgst us find it acceptable. I trust you are intelligent enough to understand the boundaries in such circumstances?
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| Quote: St. Etrigan "First things first - my heartfelt condolences to all of his immediate family and friends. The tragic circumstances of this incident go wider than rugby. Terry RIP
But can I offer the viewpoint (and if I am completely out of step with the rest of the RL fans then I apologize for any hurt this may cause) that at the showpiece event of Rugby League in this country we should not be seen to be honouring a man who is currently banned from the sport due to willingly taking illegal drugs that , by his own admission, he was taking because he thought they were undetectable not because he made a mistake or had been taking them unbeknownst to himself.
Now with this being the very last domestic game it does put clubs in an awkward position. And I would fully endorse and encourage a minutes silence being held at the grounds where he has played for the teams Leeds, Wigan, Bradford, Wakefield at their next home games as that is a more personal show of respect. But, as is the case now, if a past player dies then it is very rare that this respectful showing is actually held away from the clubs he has played for.
If the RFL do decide to hold this silence on Saturday then I hope that everyone does respect it - but I have a horrible feeling that with the ill feeling some sections of the Saints support have towards the man then this could end up looking very bad - I hope I am massively wrong.'"
A very good point which you are brave and open minded to make at such a time.
I am someone that believes in honesty. So it would not feel right "paying my respects" at the grand final. This is not based on any club localty or even Terrys style of play. I just feel that giving lip service to such a thing would make me a shallow person and devalue previous shows of respect.
Given Newtons past I would hope that the honour of a minutes silence would not be given at the grand final. Terry was a grown man that walked his own path. I think that this would have been the case if Wigan had not been in the final. As Wigan are there I am sure they would want to pay their respects which I understand and respect.
I know there are Saints fans (as well as other fans) that share my feelings. I know this because I have talked to them. So if you also share my opinions please, please do not boo during the minutes silence. We should act with dignity allow others to play there respects. I am planning to sit silently during and allow others to do as they wish.
I have lost friends and relatives in the past. I know how hard times like these can be for the Terrys friends and family. So my genuine warm wishes and thoughts go out to them.
I am sorry if this post has upset you but given my feelings I believe that sitting down is the most respectful (or at least the least disrespectful) thing for me to do. I want to go to and support my team next week. It is not my fault that the RFL may put me in this uncomfortable position. But once again regardless of your feeling can we all allow those who wish to pay their respects to do so with dignity.
Before commenting on my post can you make sure you have read it properly. I hope you can respect my thoughts and feeling as I have (and wish to next week) respect yours.
Thanks
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| I personally feel to sit during a minutes silence for a player who represented his country, town and sport is disrespectful. If your decision is based on things away from rugby ie personal reasons between the 2 of you then fair enough, but if it is simply based on 80 minutes a week I think it is a very narrow view of a life that has been lost.
There is much more to life than rugby, as this loss of a young life I would hope puts into perspective.
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| Absolutely hideous news. With him being a bit of a pantomime villain for Saints he has, in many ways, been a major figure in my experience of rugby league over the last ten years. He was clearly a born competitor, something which tends to earn a player the adoration of his own club's fans and the anger of opposition ones. Thankfully, at a time like this, most people seem to be able to understand that it is just a game.
Condolences to his family, and rest in peace Terry.
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| RIP Terry.
Deepest sympathies to his family and friends.
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