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| Quote: SaintsFan "No one is doubting that Leon Pryce has talent. The whinge so many of us have is that he doesn't use it! I've defended Pryce on these boards this season but after his vanishing act in the Grand Final, just when we needed him to be assertive and creative, I'm done with defending him. He does not deserve to be in the Saints first team lineup never mind the England squad.
And no, he was not the only no-show at the World Cup. But those who did show up have been called up IMO. Being tonked by the Aussies is not unique to last year's England squad so that in itself cannot be used as a yardstick for who is called up. But certainly Jammer and Roby gave their all last year and they deserve their call up. They were our stand out contributors. Pryce most certainly was not.
We weren't top of the table, Leeds were. We were knocked out of the Cup final in the semis and we even failed to achieve what the Chairman stated was our goal
Sykes was one of the worst players at the world cup, yet he still got called up, he is shocking.
I didn't say we were top of the league, i said we were up there at the top of the table, so i meant we were at the top end, which we were. Just because the Chairman stated our goal was to win the Grand Final doesn't mean we have a right to, i imagine every Chairman in Super League sets out to win the Grand Final, or get as close to it as possible, otherwise they might as well not bother.
However, i do agree that we may be in for a very boring year if Potter doesn't bring some flair into the side. One up rugby doesn't belong at Saints.
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| Quote: ST_CONROY "Do you think his form has been acceptable?
Sure, maybe he links up every now and then, in that he stands, catches and passes, the same as every player could do. The same as i could do if Potter put me in the team.'"
I don't think his form has been acceptable, no but thats because of the such high standards he has set himself. I'm not disagreeing that his form has been good enough. However, to say he just stands at the back and does nothing is wrong. He links up in nearly every attacking play we have, and if that's what Potter is telling him to do, then that's what hes going to do. We run the same move over and over again, who comes up with the moves and tells players were they should be? Not Pryce.
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| I like Chris Bridge, very under-rated, im happy to see him in there.
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| Quote: saint billy "I don't think his form has been acceptable, no but thats because of the such high standards he has set himself. I'm not disagreeing that his form has been good enough. However, to say he just stands at the back and does nothing is wrong. He links up in nearly every attacking play we have, and if that's what Potter is telling him to do, then that's what hes going to do. We run the same move over and over again, who comes up with the moves and tells players were they should be? Not Pryce.'"
How likely is it that Potter is going "Well Leon you're one of our best attacking threats, one of our only pacey players, one of our only players who can score from distance and have the talent to be one of the best stand off's in the league but i want you to just stand, catch and pass".
He has been pants, by far our most disappointing player this year IMO.
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| Eastmond isn't ready for England except maybe off the bench. He certainly shouldn't be starting at scrum half or centre.
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| Quote: ST_CONROY "How likely is it that Potter is going "Well Leon you're one of our best attacking threats, one of our only pacey players, one of our only players who can score from distance and have the talent to be one of the best stand off's in the league but i want you to just stand, catch and pass".
I didn't say that though, did i?
Maybe he wants Pryce to be more of an organiser, and create things, just like Long used to do, so that he can take over the role of Long and Eastmond can play the game Pryce likes to play. That just isn't Pryce's game, Pryce is best when he running at defenders when they are on the back foot. I also didn't say that is what Potter is telling him, i said maybe that is what he is telling him, we just don't know. If Potter is telling him to continuously just link with Long and put the same move on, then thats just what Pryce is going to do, and that is what Pryce has done.
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| Quote: OoOGazOoO "I like Chris Bridge, very under-rated, im happy to see him in there.'"
I think bridge is very good player for Warrington and is very good with the ball but I don't think he's good enough for England.
IMO he's shown good form this year and earned his call up.
Pryce has been very good in defence and works pretty hard but that's not you want from a stand off.
Next year for saints the halfback combo will make or break our season.
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| Quote: McClennan "Eastmond isn't ready for England except maybe off the bench. He certainly shouldn't be starting at scrum half or centre.'"
Who would you have at scrum half or centre, then?
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| Quote: McClennan "Eastmond isn't ready for England except maybe off the bench. He certainly shouldn't be starting at scrum half or centre.'"
Not many great options staring you in the face though is there? I've got a feeling Smith will pick Chris Bridge at Right Centre, but left Centre is up for grabs.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Who would you have at scrum half or centre, then?'"
Someone else.
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| Quote: Blobbynator "Not many great options staring you in the face though is there? I've got a feeling Smith will pick Chris Bridge at Right Centre, but left Centre is up for grabs.'" I can't see past him picking Shenton for the other spot.
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| I think Smith has shown some balls in dropping established players.
He still needs to put up a good show in this tournement.
The lee smith pick shows though he hasn't totally gone for a future england strategy.
I think the saints players called up bar wilkin are justified.
I dont really want eastmond to be a standout performer as it will increase his standing when we have yet to seal a new contract.
I suspect he will chime in from the bench in some games.
Its myler and tomkins for 6 and 7 but i think burrow has been a bit hard done by.
Pryce now must see he is at a crossroads for club and country.
He will get a rest and time to think.
Personally I would like potter to give him the 13 shirt and focus on a new 6 and 7 which would be risky but would help the development of the team.
Freed of a sixes responsibility and the responsibility of being the senior half I think we would see Leon back to his best.
We have several options to try next year - wheeler and eastmond, eastmond and moore , wheeler and moore
And if it goes pear shaped Pryce and even wilkin have shown they can do a job in the halves.
Personally I think both wheeler or eastmond would make great sixes its 7 where we may struggle for kicking and organisation. That could bring in a 9 (moore) to take up the slack or we may need to look outside the club in the future.
Sykes inclusion must be a slap in the face for pryce and senior.
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| We're going to be smashed. I might even bet on a record defeat against Australia.
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| Quote: Adrian Monk "To be fair. Hopefully he is taking the place of Rob Burrows. Despite playing in a dominant Leeds team with a great pack, he is no threat at all these days imo. He also gets knocked out more times than MikeTyson in his latter years.
Eastmond and Tomkins would be great addition imo, especially against the kiwis.'"
Burrows gets knocked out .... Well matey, a big man like you could not knock him out OR catch him Not a threat ehh ? well your sad lot could not match his kicking game in the GF (AGAIN ) Still there is always nexy year for you lot ? The only thing is .... you will not be as good in 2010
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| Quote: harigeorgeson "icon_rolleyes.gif Burrows gets knocked out .... Well matey, a big man like you could not knock him out OR catch him
Oh dear
A chomp of epic proportions!
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