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| Wigan are looking significantly weaker for next season than this (and they already had a fairly vanilla squad Tomkins excepted) but they'll still finish top 4 somewhere behind us and Warrington without breaking sweat - at the end of the day Leeds won't bother turning up until August again, Hull and Hudds are in massive transitional phases and Catalans still lack a few top players to really compete at the top level. There's noone else even vaguely at the races. The Hubcap will be decided by whichever of us and Warrington doesn't want it the least I reckon. Anyone else as excited as I am by the coming season?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "We'll see.
Which club has made the bigger losses over the last ten years?
What have those players in that shiny new stadium won.
It's better to get a fee for those players than let the likes of Graham and Eastmond go for nothing.'"
But where is this lovely money going? You're restricted by the salary cap and its only available to sign other players with, which in this country doesn't often happen. (Taylor to Wigan exempt)
Guess it gives Lenegan a nice pension packet? More money to throw at Tomkins to keep him past 2013 when he will probably leave too?
An upgrade of your Academy facilities maybe or an upgrade to the training facilities but surely they dont cost a million quid?
Wigan appear to be a sinking ship. Fans are getting restless at possibly the worst time of the year, season ticket renewal time.
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Wigan are looking significantly weaker for next season than this (and they already had a fairly vanilla squad Tomkins excepted) but they'll still finish top 4 somewhere behind us and Warrington without breaking sweat - at the end of the day Leeds won't bother turning up until August again, Hull and Hudds are in massive transitional phases and Catalans still lack a few top players to really compete at the top level. There's noone else even vaguely at the races. The Hubcap will be decided by whichever of us and Warrington doesn't want it the least I reckon. Anyone else as excited as I am by the coming season?
Think Wakefield could surprise people again, and the Broncos should be much improved. Otherwise I totally agree.
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| The diffculty for any club that's had a period of reasonable success is that, when stars leave, they're difficult to replace and while your trying to do that, your run-of-the-mill squaddies are chasing a pay rise on the back of being part of a successful team, which can eat into the salary cap space left by the likes of Leulieu and Finch.
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| He's 29 and probably fancies a bigger challenge. It'll be interesting to see how he goes as he can change games but there's a bit of the flat track bully about him and I'll like to see him front up more regularly. In the NRL he'll get that chance.
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| he reminds me of an English Willie Mason. they'll love him over there.
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| Quote: JonB95 "he reminds me of an English Willie Mason. they'll love him over there.'"
A massive bell? Aye, I suppose he is.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Of course it is. Wigan will still be relatively successful because of their youth system, but it's clear the club is doing something wrong as it never keeps any of it's stars, they all go.'"
Now come come you know that’s not true, Sam Tomkins for one, and Tommy Leuluai was in a mad rush wasn’t he? Anyway as we all know everything put together sooner or later falls apart! Take a look at your own.
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| Quote: pies-r-us "Now come come you know that’s not true, Sam Tomkins for one, and Tommy Leuluai was in a mad rush wasn’t he? Anyway as we all know everything put together sooner or later falls apart! Take a look at your own.'"
AH yes, but ours was lovingly put together and lasted for many years. Yours was knocked together by a couple of cowboys and only lasted a few years.
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| Quote: Top Saint "AH yes, but ours was lovingly put together and lasted for many years. Yours was knocked together by a couple of cowboys and only lasted a few years.
Yeah as lovingly put together as your new stadium that nearly blew away. It strikes me your club has just as many ups and downs as any other, and by the looks of it just as many silly pointless post like yours.
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| Quote: Saint Viper "Doubt he would get past passport control due to his "ahem" past.'"
Why not?
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| Quote: St pete "You will not be getting anywhere near the amount you suggest for Hock. Believe me!
If Hock or mossop do decide to go ( or both) then I honestly think wigans two year revival will be over. They have lost to many good players and replaced with IMO mediocre players.
Lulu, finch and carmont are massive massive losses and Green, Hughes and Smith ain't in the same league as them. If you then add mossop or Hock to them, I think it's to many good players gone with a lack of quality to replace them.'"
No team in Superleague are going to be replacing their best players with similar quality. So long as their young enough the similar quality ones will be off too! This will happen to us all. The game will decline etc etc
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "What's the point in getting big fees for selling all your best players when there's noone available of vaguely the same quality you can sign to replace them? At least we have our own shiny new stadium generating us lots of nice income meaning we don't have to sell our best players to make ends meet
Wigan arent selling their best players to make ends meet. Theyre selling them as they dont really have a choice
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| Quote: DANN "Wigan arent selling their best players to make ends meet. Theyre selling them as they dont really have a choice'"
Why don't they have a choice if it isn't financial? Hock, for example, is still under contract. Therefore there was no need to let him go. Unless he has been a naughty boy or something, the only reason a club would let what they consider to be one of their best players go before their contract is up is finance, either to afford the purchase of another player or to free up the salary of the one they are selling.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Unless he has been a naughty boy or something'"
Yup and and really can't imagine that of one of the games true professionals
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