It's possible to be both passionate and rational.

I agree. And there is nothing irrational about my hatred of Wigan.

I'd go as far as saying that any Saints supporter who wants to see Wigan win the Grand Final is not a true supporter. Wigan are our rivals, that isn't optional.

I'm glad we didn't have Noel Cleal replace Neville Chamberlain instead of Churchill or we'd all be eating bratwurst and not cumberlands now. That's all I can say.

Unfortunately the druggie scum Newton put paid to that

My reasoning is neither irrational nor a ticket to the funny farm. Why would I give a flying sh*t who wins the GF if we weren’t involved? So if it were Saints, SO WHAT! I would sooner them than a Yorkshire club. I support my team as passionately as you yours, have no doubt about that, we just think of things in different ways. Some people write things beyond banter (as someone did to you, and to which you took offence, remember) which some would think is just posturing, and that kind of thing is irrational. I know you and some others would call my thoughts barmy, fine, I find yours OTT to say the least, bewareshadows has it right, or is he, like me, not a real fan? I think not, I just think some people should just keep RL and life, in prospective.

Funny Farm? I have not said I like Wigan, I have just said that they deserve to be Champions and the League is in need of "Real" Champions after all that has happened in the last 12 months. Come on, what are the options, I have a health dislike of the Wire Scum so I don't want them to win it. Leeds have had far more success than the ability of their squad warrants and their fans are perhaps the scummiest in the league outside of Humberside. We are hopeless and have no chance so we can count ourselves out.

Catalan are the only team that I like that has a shot at being champions, but even if they do, they have not really looked like champions this year and would not give the league the integrity boost it needs. So it has to be the Pies!!!

Don't forget Darren Albert he was also assaulted in that game.

Neville has been treated harsh by history. He had the countries interests at heart just had a bad PR guy. He was just trying to avoid Churchill’s war that cost this country so much and allowed Germany and the USA economies to overtake ours in the years since. Plus there is nothing wrong with Bratwurst, get yourself down to the Manchester Christmas markets and have one with a nice gluvine this December.

Weren't Germany forced to pay the other european countries monitary compensation following the war?

That was the first world war this resulted in a depression which resulted in the rise of fascism. After the second they were banned from having an army which has saved them huge amounts of money in the time since.

We, on the other hand, were still paying the USA for the weapons they sold us during WWII until about 10 years ago.

This is where we differ. In my opinion, you should give a sh*t if Saints win it. As a Wigan fan you shouldn't ever want to see Saints win a thing and it should hurt seeing them win Grand Finals.
The fact you don't feel this way is what makes me question how much you actually care about or support Wigan.

So as a Saints "supporter," the integrity boost to the league,as you call it, is more important than our rivalry with Wigan?? So you'd be happy to see them win it every year so long as they deserve it? What a load of absolute nonsense.
And again, this is what leads me to question just how much of a Saints fan you are. Because in my book, no Saints fan should ever want Wigan to win anything, regardless of much they may or may not deserve it.

I'm with you on this one to certain degree but don't like the word hate that has been used quite a lot on this particular post.

However, as a Wigan fan who spent the first eight years of his working life employed in St. Helens I understand better than most the rivalry, plus the fact I married a girl from there (I was on educational duty ) so my outlaws in the main are in the main Saints supporters.

The next best thing to a Wigan victory is a Saints loss, and I don't have a problem with Saints fans who think the same but the other way round. I have many good friends whose company I enjoy who have the misfortune to support Saints, and good luck to them, but I love seeing their miserable faces after a defeat.

That's how it should be, as long as the banter is good natured long may it continue.

I agree entirely. Yeah I have used the word hate, which you maye see as a bit OTT, but I have only used it in reference to the club, and not the necessarily the people who support the club.

I live in Wigan with my girlfriend who is a Wigan fan, and my family is a 50/50 split of Saints and Wigan fans. I do not hate my girlfriend, or the half of the family that support Wigan. But I do hate Wigan and even if them winning the GF would make my girlfriend very happy, I openly want them to lose. If I told her I wanted Wigan to win, she'd think I'd gone soft, and vice versa.And as you say, that's how it should be.

It was a joke buddy.