I blame it on all the Burtonwood & Greenalls ale that used to get supped it ruined many a man.

Since IL took over tell me how many have we won compared to you. 4-1. You do have a good youth structure but to bring in a player from the NRL to cover one of the most important role in a side now is not that great planning considering most knows that Lomax will not play that many games. Lomax is an exceptional player that now looks like his career is in trouble. No side will pay a wage for a player injured for so long and keep him. But you do have to admit Wigan and especialy IL planning works through either luck or judgement we got Sam back sooner than i thought.

When Masoe leaves and there is now allegedly interest in the NRL for him will you promote someone of get someone in. I was not happy we did not get Burns when we knew that Green was leaving but again good planning seems that Williams is settling down in that role.

You seem to think i was disrespecting Saints but i was not i was merely pointing out that again in a key position you have to go and get a player in not promote. Apart from Roby now not one of you 6 7 and 1 now has come through the club. I do wish Lomax luck and hope i am wrong that it could be the end for him at Saints.

Not having a go but who could play and full back from your present squad if you did not get McDonnell.

Are you for real ?

Our first two choice full backs are Lomax and Wellens. Both Saints products and both injured. Our third full back is Makinson, another product. However, Dawson's injury means we can't lose Makinson from the wing, although funnily enough we've played Fleming and Bailey, two youth products, there in the meantime. Both Makinson and Swift, both products of our youth can play full back but we need them on the wings, hence McDonnell was brought in.

Masoe is being replaced by Tasi, as is our right. With Richards, Savelio and Thompson all playing prop and all developments from our youth, I find it amusing that you suggest we don't focus on it here, especially when your props include Clubb, Tautai, Patrick and Flower. All brought in.

Our recent half back development includes Eastmond, an England RU international, Smith, another England international although God knows how, Gaskell, another talent and Lomax, now at full back. Since that slowed we've brought in Walsh and Burns, who will no doubt be looked to be replaced from within. Remember, how you did the same when you had Finch and Leuluai, then Green, who you tried to replace with Burns ? It's called 'great planning'

Outside this we've brought through the likes of Roby, Graham, Greenwood and Percival - all present or future internationals.

If you want to moan about youth development, I suggest you go and do it with someone that doesn't excel beyond pretty much everybody at doing so.

Of course they do. They plan well and give kids a chance to play. They also prefer signing British talent above imports.

Those three clubs lead the way in British RL and it'd be nice to see the rest follow the same policy. It'd also be nice to see an element of balance in some poster's posts as opposed to suggesting that the present champions of this country, with a side packed full of locally produced players, don't plan well.

Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Oh dear. Always best to be careful calling someone a dimwit. Your obvious knowledge of Rugby League clearly doesn't extend to pretty basic physics. Did you think that building a wall would stop nuclear fallout from causing quite literally hundreds of pounds worth of damage in Sintellins then? Do you know your physics??? People talk about nuclear weapons and fallout, but actually it would be very dependant of the Yield used. For example if the fat man was used in the centre of Wigan. The fallout would be dependant on wind direction at the time. The thermal radiation status would be kept well within the Wigan boundaries. But the fall out could go as far as mid Wales on a bad day. But a small Yield device tactical weapon such as the Davy Crockett would have limited effects and ranges. Then if you are talking about a Tsar Bomba, that will knock over most buildings all the way to Warrington. The fall out would go all the way across to Ireland. Of course those nuclear free zones that have been made will be excused. However, I always find nuking discussions to be very infantile as most people don't actually mean it and it would be much more practical to just ignore those who annoy you. But if you want some fun, practice Nuking someone here www.nuclecrecy.com/nukemap/

Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Oh dear. Always best to be careful calling someone a dimwit. Your obvious knowledge of Rugby League clearly doesn't extend to pretty basic physics. Did you think that building a wall would stop nuclear fallout from causing quite literally hundreds of pounds worth of damage in Sintellins then? Do you know your physics??? People talk about nuclear weapons and fallout, but actually it would be very dependant of the Yield used. For example if the fat man was used in the centre of Wigan. The fallout would be dependant on wind direction at the time. The thermal radiation status would be kept well within the Wigan boundaries. But the fall out could go as far as mid Wales on a bad day. But a small Yield device tactical weapon such as the Davy Crockett would have limited effects and ranges. Then if you are talking about a Tsar Bomba, that will knock over most buildings all the way to Warrington. The fall out would go all the way across to Ireland. Of course those nuclear free zones that have been made will be excused. However, I always find nuking discussions to be very infantile as most people don't actually mean it and it would be much more practical to just ignore those who annoy you. But if you want some fun, practice Nuking someone here www.nuclecrecy.com/nukemap/

Who is this guy and what is he waffling on about? You've won a couple of games against half-d monkey-worshippers like Hull KR and all of a sudden the glory days of Wigan's academy is back? Give over pal.

I do miss the halcyon days of FMM, top notch banter

You won't play a homegrown 13 because O'Loughlin will be injured and you'll play Bateman at loose instead.

You're too kind, but those days aren't over yet

I agree. Saints should have a min of 5 players per position to preempt any possible injury. That should be ok in a salary cap sport.

Since IL added you to his sporting portfolio (refer to Oxford United for the business model) you have won 2 titles to our 1 but that conveniently ignores our other 5 and your one.

No idea what you are trying to prove as we, you and Leeds clearly produce our own talent and add to this with other signings.

Let's not talk about Bowen as that really undermines your argument .............

Looks like the French could lay one on the DW and it wouldn't even cross into St. Helens territory - beware the Catalan reprisals

Think the envy-o-meter will be making a comeback this week...