it has occured to me to read your posts...

The point I am making is that at the beginning of the season (pre-Walsh coming back) Turner's defence was actually looking good. He was moving up well and making good, hard tackles and stopping plays out wide before they became dangerous. It is only since Walsh came back it has got worse. Granted JT misses a lot of tackles, everybody knows that, but our left hand edge wasnt leaking tries/breaks galore in like we are now. It has got 1000% worse since Walsh came back and I would say the finger of blame points firmly at said little man in the 7 shirt before Turner as to how suspect our left hand side defence is.

turner has been one of our stand out performers for most of the season and I think its harsh some of the criticism thats been aimed at him. Also very disappointed (if its true what I have heard) that he is only on the bench for tonight's game with Jones staying in the centre...after watching Hull v Cas last week, the defence of Sa & Lineham is very suspect (would make Turner look world class in defence stakes). We should have him attacking those as it could be a great opportunity to score points...Jones is better defensively but isnt anywhere near as good with ball in hand as Turner

My initial reaction to Turner being on the bench was disappointing, but when you think about it we are leaking points in the first 20 mins, so Jonesy might tighten things up defensively but you can,t bet money on it at the moment.

We are still far too soft in the tackle down the middle, which causes and exposes the problems out wide, for tonight I would like to see a lot more dominating tackles shutting the opposition down, especially offloader Liam watts. If we allow Hull freedom to run. then they will gain a lot of confidence that they can win this game.

The clock is running down for Walsh and Burns to get there act together, they have got these 2 home games to get the team playing into form towards the business end.

Walsh and Burns are not just a disappointment they are a disaster. We all expected a dynamic duo and have ended up with a pathetic pair. As a previous poster said time is running out for them.

I shall await the melt down with interest.

Have other teams upped their game or have we got worse.

where's rommel no comments tonight ????

You need to face reality that we are awful at the moment. No excuses of injuries etc as Hull had severe injuries. We are just not good enough!

Kyle amor sat in the stands while that big fat waste of space is sat on the bench watching. He must have made four carries all night.

Walsh had his worst game in a saints shirt and that says it all really.

The pack not good enough and the backs are one if the worst in super league but don't worry we have Peyroux arriving next year to sort our problems out.

thought your forwards where well beaten up the middle tonight,saying that wouldn't surprise me to see you get to old Trafford, good luck

There were two matches - Leeds at home and Huddersfield away - where Wilkin played the first half at halfback and Walsh the second, so I just said half the missed tackles for each player for lack of a better method. The other match was Catalan away where Walsh went off injured. Our left hand side defence has been our weak spot all year for me, it showed as early as the WCC where Reynolds made Turner look stupid.

I'm not saying it's all Turner's fault or that Walsh is a great defender. Walsh is a weak tackler, but Turner makes the problem much worse. Again, while there's no stats to back it up yet, Walsh's defence tonight seemed better than previous weeks. The fact that Turner has been moved to defend in the middle, where planting his feet early or struggling to deal with a second man play isn't as much of an issue, seems to indicate KC shares my thoughts.

Walsh's defence looked better on Friday night...is that because (from memory) he made one tackle where he came out of line and tackled Rankin? Turner was on the bench for around 60 mins and our defence was still awful...couple this with the fact that Jones is incapable of committing a defender and providing his winger with half a chance from an offload and we end up with an average to poor defensive side with no attacking threat whatsoever. IMO I would still rather have Turner in that centre than Jones...

Will be interesting to see if KC backs up his post match comments and drops Walsh for Hudds game how different things are

Would sooner have Turner in the centre with a 50/50 defence , he is our best strike player. Jones although playing well lately makes it difficult for his outside winger and quite often runs into a blind alley, defending an orthodox play he's OK but he's not much better than Turner when confronted with a 3 on 2 play, he's much better in the pack. Jones didn,t play well in defence last time out against the Giants.

I don't think KC will drop Walsh until Wilkin comes back into the side, he did mention post match that players will be taken out of the side if not performing and replaceable. In a way I,m looking forward to this match on Thursday, KC being critical of his players should in future give a bit of indication of whether certain players want to play for him. All eyes will be on our pivotal players especially Walsh who every time we,ve played the Giants has had a decent game.

He made 8 according to the match report! Our defence generally was awful yes, but our left edge defence has looked much stronger the last two games IMO. Turner isn't a bad tackler, I have no issue with his defence at loose forward, it's his decision making and footwork that I have the issue with, and this is only exposed out wide. It's a shame really because with the ball, behind Watkins he's the most dangerous centre in the league IMO. That KC feels his defensive frailties outweigh his ball-running shows the extent of the problem. I'd be curious how it would go with Turner attacking at centre and defending at loose, and Jones attacking at loose and defending at centre.



I think the pressure is more on Burns than Walsh to be honest. Burns misses as many tackles as Walsh, has less try assists despite playing 10 more matches and has given away more penalties than anyone else in the league. I can see what Walsh contributes and intends to do - he's the general, the organiser who will kick well, pick a good pass and manage the game. I've watched most of our matches this year and I still have no idea what Burns' purpose/role in the team is. His kicking game is pretty ordinary, his passing is just okay, but he isn't a runner either. He's a competitor and we as fans like that and how committed he is to the cause, but I'm not sure what his input to the team as a halfback is.

Burns is one of the players that KC told this week has to improve or he's out. Strangely walsh wasn't one of them who have been warned.

Out the side, or out the club?

Side Id imagine.