Exactly my views on him. Maybe Im a little more critical because I know he can be a good player but he chooses to be lazy.

Amor isn't plsying great at the moment, I think most will agree on this but he gives 100% every single week so can't really call him.

Same goes with sav, Richards and Thompson, they haven't set the world on fire this season and probably not kicked on how we expected but again the effort is there and you can't knock that.

Id want nothing more to see Mose causing destruction on the field. He's a big jolly likeable guy but that can't hide the fact he's letting himself down, the fans down and more importantly his mates on the field, exotically the likes of walmsley and Amor.

I do go to the games and the criticism of Masoe is unfair and incorrect. Stats aren't everything, but there is something to be learned from them. And even if some of his tackles are second or third man, surely that applies to all players...unless in this one eyed world, every body else is always first into the tackle and Masoe is always third.

Yes, he probably spends less time on the field and makes less carries and tackles across a season. But as has been pointed out, his role is not one of a grinding prop, just trundling in to make four or five metres a time. His is there to do other things. Also, he worked hard during a period of the game at Wigan to keep pressure on the pie gobblers in the mud. Both Amor and Walmsley are very good props although Amor isn't playing anywhere near his potential.

Its easy to pick on isolated moments to criticise a player. I like Makinson tremendously but what good was his 'heart' when he looked like Radlinski when stepped for their try.....see easy. And Richards at Wigan....all 'heart' but alas, no skill....or composure....or technique....or execution. See Easy....again.

I said earlier that I thought he put a shift in tackling but his attack seemed dulled. But in the end, the stats are important.

Yes he can be 3rd man in, but also second and first and over the weekend he was doing some tackles closing the gap. He sometimes hits and bounces too, so is the first and 3rd man in.

I would certainly not say that his efforts were a causal factor in the loss/es. It was the lack of a half was the reason we lost. For me in all 3 games the pack has done the job, but the backs are shot to pieces. In the end we have 2 primary wingers playing in position. 1 Primary winger on Monday. When you have second, third and fourth string people covering positions in the backs, it is going to dull the attacking edge.

I prefer heart and no skill to no heart and no skill.


He's bone idle lazy, Simple as that.

A prop has got to do the hard yards, drive their team on and provide a platform for the backs to do their stuff. A brilliant hard tackle or a good driving run can swing the momentum for your team.

The sign of a really good prop (and indeed any player) however is if they're hated by opposition fans and loved by their own. Who's got a real nasty edge, who's niggly, who causes the opposition players to lose their own focus and engage in mini battles with him.

Our props have the qualities in the 1st paragraph above...but when we bought Masoe, I think we all hoped/expected him to bring the kind of qualities I'm talking about in the 2nd paragraph.

Masoe is capable of much much more. It's no good doing it once every few games.

bring your boots on Sunday....it seems that will rectify all our problems

Total e again. Dont expect much different mind.

I see the debate has gone again and it's back to personal insults. Can people not post a view point without having a go.

I think the phrase is called playing the ball not the man,

Mose is a devisive player. Half of my friends think he's a lazy bugger, half (i'm fall on this side) say he's generally badly used. We knew what we were getting, and a 60 min energised, 40 tackle a game prop it wasn't. A player who on occasion can completely change a game on his own by single handedly destroying an opposition pack is what he is. Doesnt happen every week, and if we ask him to do much more than 30 mins a game it wont happen at all.

Exactly, I,ve seen loads of instances were he comes charging in from deep the opposition players come across but Roby or the halves switch play to the other side. We also use to see Mose take a short ball turn his back into the opposition and offload into second phase that tactic is now stopped.
So in my opinion its the coaching staff and player options that are partially to blame, we don't do enough set plays with Mose, giving him flat balls with the opposition quickly on him is a completely waste of time. If Mose doen't work to a technical plan then you get a lazy Mose most of the time.
Sometimes the club is not very good at getting the best out of players, we did it with Shenton years back and turned him into an average player, the way we used Lance was another one, and there are others.

Mose wasn't brought for his defence, he was brought to cause utter carnage in 20 min spells (mainly with the ball). His defence around the legs is very good for such a big guy, I actully use Mose as example to the big lads in the team i coach.

I agree he was brought in as a impact player and a player that can give you momentem when he comes on the field (like his first spell on good friday) but 70% of the time he offers no impact at all, some games his spell lasts 10 mins or less in which he hardly takes a carry. He shouid be pushing Amor to the side telling him this is my ball but he's now lingering 4 men out from the PTB and puts himself in a positon thst he can't get the ball.

Imo when he's good he's very good but when he's bad, he's awful. One game last year, he did 6 carries and often just about makes double figures. For me that's not good enough from what we consider as a top end prop.

I've heard everyone make excuses for him like - he's not fit because of injury. Wait until the dry ground. Brown doesn't know how to use him. KC doesn't know how to use him. We deliberately don't let him take drives. We don't want him takibg a carry in our own 20m zone. Teans gang up on him.

Jesus! It's everyone's fault apart from his own!

I thought he did really well against Wigan on Friday, and the game really swung our way when he was on. If we had anyone with any creativity or guile on the park we would have won comprehensively.

He was anonymous on Monday, but like the rest of the pack looked completely knackered.

I have no thoughts on Mose as a player. However the discussions shows a flaw in our game when a player is only seen as being able to play a maximum of 30 minutes of an 80 minutes match. The sooner the number of interchanges is reduced the better so that the big guys become tired and those with speed and skill can exploit the situation.

The effectiveness of Mose has, like a lot of other things, decreased with our struggle to put effective half backs onto the pitch.