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| Quote: Mugwump "LOL. Don't you think this question is better asked on CONSULTANTFANS.COM?
Cool, a hr expert.
So why are group dynamics different in a rugby team compared to any other group working on a project?
You also didn't answer my question.
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| Quote: Mugwump "If you think - say - a British player with TWO GAMES under his belt for his new club in the NRL will be able to get away with railroading experienced players who might have 5 or 10 hard years under the hood you haven't watched enough NRL.
We're not in the amateur era any more. This is a highly competitive game with not just positions but entire careers at stake.
But we will see. By your rationale guys like Roby and Wilkin will have no problem whatsoever with Travis Burns if he gets in their faces following a mistake this game or next.
But we know he won't. Because Burns is enough of a professional to know new players are under serious scrutiny from their first game.
And no - I wouldn't expect any kid who has spent four or five years in the academy to meekly take stick from Paul Gallen with two games under his belt (not that I'd expect Gallen to give it). The minute you arrive at a new club you are back to zero in terms of achievement. Certainly his teammates aren't likely to give him anything for nothing. Indeed, he could just as easily be the next Bradley Clyde whose stellar reputation amounted to precisely ZERO at Leeds.'"
Absolute nonsense. You are showing a huge lack of understanding.
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| Quote: Mugwump "That stuff is for the amateur days.'"
I'm sure that in any club there will be a small minority of players misguided/arrogant enough to disregard the achievements and leadership qualities of others out of hand.
I really have no idea why you might identify so wholeheartedly with that point of view
I wonder why Tim Sheens is heading to Salford for a while, clearly his input is no more valuable that anyone else at Salford given he's never worked there . . . . .
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Cool, a hr expert.
So why are group dynamics different in a rugby team compared to any other group working on a project?
You also didn't answer my question.'"
If you want someone to explain the manifold differences between sport and business find someone else. I've already wasted too much energy on what should be elementary understanding.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Absolute nonsense. You are showing a huge lack of understanding.'"
You said that the last time.
It didn't convince me then. It doesn't convince me now.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "I'm sure that in any club there will be a small minority of players misguided/arrogant enough to disregard the achievements and leadership qualities of others out of hand.
I really have no idea why you might identify so wholeheartedly with that point of view
So you want kids to be in awe of reputation? Is that it?
I remember when Saints were in awe of Wigan's reputation for the best part of a decade. Half the time we were beat before we even set foot on the pitch.
It was no co-incidence that when the generation of kids such as Danny Arnold, Joey Hayes, Prescott etc. emerged we saw a marked difference in attitude against Wigan. Those lads weren't burdened with a decade of humiliation and respected precisely no one.
I don't want any player worshipping the ground his team-mate walks on. I'd much prefer he cut his throat for the position (in the nicest possible way). ![]()
I'm sure Sheens will do was well as the host of REPUTATION PLAYERS Salford have foolishly invested in. Where were they against Saints? ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote: Mugwump "You said that the last time.
It didn't convince me then. It doesn't convince me now.'"
Can you explain then how Terry Campese has been named Hull KR captain before he'd played for the club if all players start on zero at a new club?
Wasn't Morley named Salford captain in his first year there too?
I'm sure there's plenty other examples I could find.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Can you explain then how Terry Campese has been named Hull KR captain before he'd played for the club if all players start on zero at a new club?'"
How many trophies have Hull KR won in the last forty years?
QED.
Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Wasn't Morley named Salford captain in his first year there too?'"
How many trophies have Salford won in the last forty years?
QED.
Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I'm sure there's plenty other examples I could find.'"
If they are anything like the above I wouldn't bother. Besides, I've wasted enough time explaining the obvious in this thread. If you want players to work themselves up into a creamy lather every time some "Reputation" signs on the dotted line - fine.
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
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| More utter rubbish being spouted again. I'm sure it's a joke account and somebody messing around.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
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| Quote: St pete "More utter rubbish being spouted again. I'm sure it's a joke account and somebody messing around.'"
Although I don't agree with him, he is entitled to his opinion.
I remember the vitriolic comments when Maguire announced a leadership team (even some on the Wigan board) and now it's something that other clubs have copied. Strange world isn't it?
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif |
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Can you explain then how Terry Campese has been named Hull KR captain before he'd played for the club if all players start on zero at a new club?
Wasn't Morley named Salford captain in his first year there too?
I'm sure there's plenty other examples I could find.'"
Add kevin sinfield getting the leeds captaincy at 20 before many other senior players and he's done pretty well Id say.
Wasn't Andy Faz Wigan captain at a early age also?
Some players are leaders and some ain't and that's regardless of age or how many years been at the club and Imo Burns is a leader and would be my captain.
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| so is Travis Burhs hurt or what?.Top secret till the team is picked for the Bunniesicon_smile.gificon_smile.gif
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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| Burns is playing. He is going to play hooker in a shock decision to drop Roby, due to him slacking off big time against Salford.
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| Quote: St pete "More utter rubbish being spouted again. I'm sure it's a joke account and somebody messing around.'"
What on earth is your problem? This is a message board. Part of the RLFANS site. A site which I and Sadfish created back when you were conducting conversations via postcard.
You seem to think this is some fantasy gumdrop universe where everyone believes your opinion REALLY MATTERS. It isn't.
Message boards are cut-throat environments in which stupid gets what stupid deserves.
If you can't handle that - leave. No one is FORCING you to stay. Alternatively, if you want to stay (and there are plenty of good reasons to stay) - quit whining and grow a pair.
If I threw a tantrum and cried every time someone said mean things about me I'd have probably keeled over with massive coronary infarction ten years ago.
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18919_1341147656.jpg [quote="King Monkey":30st820n]Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good.
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| I can see both sides of the argument. If someone came into your work place and started rollocking you after 2 minutes you'd be pretty annoyed.
However, in RL terms sometimes you see players signed by clubs and instantly command respect and become part of the leadership group within that team because of what they've achieved. It happened when Peacock signed for Leeds, Morley signed for Salford, Ellis signed for Hull. Johns at Warrington. These were players that had done it all within the game. Here we're talking about Travis Burns for FFS, and I can guarantee you had Roby, or Wilkin done what Vea did there's no way Burns would've reacted the same way.
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