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| Quote: No1 Saint "I agree and yet Leeds seem to be able to keep signing/retaining class players .. especially in the pivots and outside (strike) backs where you'd imagine players command the highest salaries
1.Hardaker - International , probably Ratboys understudy
2.Ryan Hall - probably the best winger in SL
3.Kallum Watkins - international centre
4.Joel Moon - top class player who would get in any SL side
5.Tom Briscoe - international winger
6.Danny McGuire - probably past his best now but he'll still be on a top deal
7.Kevin Sinfield - international halfback (like it or not) and captain so wont be playing for peanuts
9. Rob Burrow - International halfback/hooker
Do they have a salary cap ??'"
Puts our supposed improvements into perspective a little:
Hardaker = Lomax
Hall > Makinson
Watkins > AN Other (Percival?)
Moon > Turner
Briscoe > Swift
McGuire > AN Other (Wheeler? Wilkin?)
Sinfield = Walsh (Hard to judge, who actually plays 7 for Leeds? Is it Sinfield? Walsh is an unknown quantity in SL)
I doubt we'd do all that much better in the pack either.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Puts our supposed improvements into perspective a little:
Hardaker
Ill bite!
Lomax is way, way better than hardaker
I'll give you their wingers, but turner is at very least as good as moon, I'd say much better!
Walsh is also better than Sinfield
And maguire is just terrible
Into the forwards, their best forward will be 36 next year. I'd put out pack next year against theirs any day!
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "Ill bite!
Lomax is way, way better than hardaker
I'll give you their wingers, but turner is at very least as good as moon, I'd say much better!
Walsh is also better than Sinfield
And maguire is just terrible
Into the forwards, their best forward will be 36 next year. I'd put out pack next year against theirs any day!'"
Disagree about Turner over Moon. I think Moon is a top class centre and should have been Carmonts replacement at Wigan.
You're correct about Peacock, he's been immense this year and should have been man of steel.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Turner over Moon
Ok, that was a little cheeky, but not funnier than you suggesting hardaker and Lomax are equals!
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| Quote: Saint Simon "Ok, that was a little cheeky, but not funnier than you suggesting hardaker and Lomax are equals!'"
Hardaker is a classy player. He's also been selected for England ahead of Lomax, which suggests he's better. I've been cautious and clawed that back to equal.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Hardaker is a classy player. He's also been selected for England ahead of Lomax, which suggests he's better. I've been cautious and clawed that back to equal.'"
Who would you rather have at fullback for your team?
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| Quote: Saddened! "Puts our supposed improvements into perspective a little:
Hardaker
Leeds just keep building and doing what we should have done. We just havent had good squad management for a number of years and now it's taking time to get things back on track.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "Who would you rather have at fullback for your team?'"
Lomax but I'd have Hardaker in a second to play left centre for us. He even looks like Keith Seniors love child (with hair)
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Lomax but I'd have Hardaker in a second to play left centre for us. He even looks like Keith Seniors love child (with hair)'"
Is it a situation where all the Saints species would say Lomax, all the Leeds speccies would say Hardaker (and all the Wire fans would say Ratchford)?
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "Is it a situation where all the Saints species would say Lomax, all the Leeds speccies would say Hardaker (and all the Wire fans would say Ratchford)?'"
They are different players.
Hardaker has more pace and is more of a running threat, Lomax is a better ball player (pivot is todays word) so I suppose it depends on the style of play and needs the of team they are in.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "They are different players.
Hardaker has more pace and is more of a running threat, Lomax is a better ball player (pivot is todays word) so I suppose it depends on the style of play and needs the of team they are in.'"
So who would you like out of the 3 to replace Tomkins?
I'd hesitate to call you impartial ( ), but I know you're a big fan of Lomax, so perhaps that will temper your love of winding up our posters when you reply.
Lomax for me is sensational. When we finally got him to oust Wello, he had that wonderful run on games before picking up and injury. At the end of the season, although still effective, the way he moved seemed to suggest he wasn't fully fit.
I know I wouldn't swap him.
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61326_1313411800.jpg Friday 28th March, 2014, a day that will live in infamy...
[quote="Saddened!":fwnfr3rg]Whatever happens they have all been magnificent. Even Wello.[/quote:fwnfr3rg]
[quote="Saddened!":fwnfr3rg]Lance Hohaia can have my babies after that show[/quote:fwnfr3rg]
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| They are 2 different types of full back, for what we need I would take Lomax any day of the week over Hardaker. Whilst I agree that when you look at Leeds back line at the moment they are stronger than we are, but I think ours has very good potential. If you take a back line of Lomax (23), Makinson (21), Turner (24), Jones (20), Swift (20), Wheeler (24) & Walsh (26) gives an average age of 22.5 years old, along with 5 home grown players out of the 7. Playing behind a better forward pack in 2014 and having a proper organising 7 in Walsh to lead them around (as well as a world class kicking game) can only be good for them and I think they will all get a lot better over the next few years.
As for the forwards, I would challenge most teams to field as strong a pack as Amor, Roby, LMS, Manu, Soliola, Wilkin then have Masoe, Walmsley, Laffranchi, Flanagan, Clough, Beaumont, Walker, Greenwood fighting for a place on the bench to get in there so think we are looking good really for next year
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For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "So who would you like out of the 3 to replace Tomkins?
I'd hesitate to call you impartial (
I do like Lomax, but if it were a direct replacement for Sam, I would have Ratchford, the big plus is that he is a Wigan lad and a good goalkicker. In reality all three are fine players and there's not much between them. It's a position Superleague is strong in, if only we could say the same about centres and halfbacks. I'm hoping that Hampshire and Williams can sort the halfback situation out. Sutcliffe at Leeds looks very promising but I think he'll finish up as a #13.
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| With Leeds' situation on the cap, it's fairly well documented that the likes of Sinfeild and McGuire could be earning much more elsewhere, but their club loyalty is so strong that the stay at Leeds despite taking a cut in wages.
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