I've tried to be more positive. Thinking, we just needed time for Brown's idea's to settle in and for players to come back from injury. But Positive thinking will only get you so far.

Brown's comments show that he realizes that the players where poor. But nothing from him about his team selection being poor.

It's fine to say I was not expecting us to be that poor in game 4 or 5. It's nearly the end of the year and he needs to man up and say, I've made some bad choices and this is what I'm going to do to modify my ways.

In fact Pete, you have been right on most things, if I was Eamon I'd be considering offering you a job if Brown can't handle it.

I found the post match comment by Brown very worrying when he said " can't the knock the effort". The was no effort. It was lacklustre with no pride or passion and that IMO is the worst thing from the whole team.

Fair enough, players drop balls, bad passes, miss tackles etc and I can live with that but when a team shows no pride, passion of team spirit is what I can't accept and why I was bouncing last night.

Thought the same myself, I,m just wondering if Brown is lacking in the Passion Department and its rubbing off onto the players. He did show some concern in the media though for the saints supporters, maybe that's because he knows the clock is ticking.

The clock isn't ticking. He's secure in his job. But he will have noticed the booing and the fast, mass exodus so it's politic for him to try and appease the fans.

I agree on the effort comment: one of the elements of that match most at fault was the effort; the complete lack of it. The other element was Brown's stupid tinkering, which I got sick of weeks ago and which continues to undermine our chances.

McManus will have final say on all signings but not sure if he's been picking them or listening to bad advice. On the cast off's front you are correct if some rumours are true, we just need to hope a couple of the bargin basement players turn out to be hidden gems or late developers

I didnt even notice Beumont last night, I didnt even know he played. He should fit in well at saints.

I didnt notice him either but to be fair he couldn;t have been less effective than Howarth or Laffranchi. And I'll bet he didnt make as many cockups as LMS

True.

God we are bad!

I was talking to an ex coach after the game and expressed my doubts regarding NB. The ex coach said he had been talking to Kieran Cunningham who Reckons Brown is the best coach that he has seen during his time at the Saints.

??????? regarding Kieran.

And I'm told the same by players.

Sometimes that maybe because he lets quite a lot go and his staff and players are protected from mediocrity by the boss.

It's a sad state of affairs when we are so far behind we can't even make ape man jokes anymore.