They seem to move back and forth every few years.

You can just imagine how Widnes fans felt over the years playing In lower division while London was playing super league. I imagine the likes of fev, Halifax etc feel the same now.

London was a great idea but its just not worked!

This is where I have problems with licensing. It muddy's the waters over why a team should be in SL. For me it's all about on the field performances. On that measure so far London should not be relegated. Their continued existence is a different matter. That is a business decision which is down to fans and owners.

Fans need to turn up to fund a club and owners cover any shortfall (if there is one).

The cumbria issue is a red herring. Cumbria is a consolidation issue. There is a good amature level and there is a fan base there, but the 3 dominant teams split this support. Merger will never work, so it's either a fight to the death, one team to get promotion, or for all 3 to agree to support some joint team,but I still question whether supporters of whitehaven, barrow and workington would buy into this rather than stick with their own club sides.

I think London being something of a travelling side has not helped them, but also the name London gives no local buy into the team. None of the London Football clubs work on the basis of calling themselves london. You may as well call yourself England RL club. London is as big population wise as some countries and people in London subdivide themselves when it comes to sporting competition.

For me the big error was not sticking by North Wales and the likes of Sheffield. This would expand our base whilst giving those clubs a chance for away fans to bolster the home crowd for a few years.

Hopefully London (or Gillingham) can make it to 2015 and if we get option 3 they will get a chance to get more competitive without having to spend the max every year. They need time to grow. At the moment they are being asked to compete and grow and just do not have the base to do both.

As for the TV deal, they are just bothered about viewers. Veiwers mean advertisers, which means revenue and subscriptions. That's what TV base their valuation of the game on. Whether thats 300k viewers in yorkshire or 300k views spread across the UK makes llittle difference.

A heavy investment in Wrexham would have improved SL.

A heavy investment in another French team would have improved SL

A heavy investment in a complete merger of the whole of Cumbria, to play under a Cumbrian banner would have improved SL.

A heavy investment seems to be a factor you'd think to success?

David Hughes has heavily invested in the Broncos.

All true, but you need fans to buy in and that's what has not occured in London.

What a total tragic sad thread, such bitterness, showing as I have always said the fault of our game How Parochial it is, we all-right Jack! Many clubs in Super League are 130 Years Old and are still only around 10,000 or under! is that progress?

The way the game is going it will be semi-pro within 10 years so it will not matter if there is a London, Sheffield, or North Wales side. At a time when the game is developing so fast in the south at youth, school & amateur level, yes we are struggling without a Chairman that has backed the club 110% we may not have survived until now! People forget the cost of living in London, rents and land, we have players houses many of the young players live together, we still do not own our own ground and we have paid so much in rental to football & union clubs over the years.

When we had to leave Fulham that is when the RFL should have invested in a ground and made it the RFL HQ in London a ground dedicated to nothing but Rugby League, used all the year for school finals, amateur finals etc, but no there was no foresight and people wonder why as a game we have No Sponsor for our Super League and No Sponsor for The Challenge Cup what a complete joke but week in week out people still think it is the Greatest Game ever, people who watched Wrestling on Saturday afternoon's way back on ITV used to think the same! and what has happened to that sport.

"If people think we're bad..." is the thread title, well before yesterday's disaster Saints were 8 Points ahead of us!

Money was put into buying Bradford's Odsal? Allowing Hull to take the Gateshead licence to survive, but what did I say about the game being parochial, do you genuinely think if there was one club in Cumbria they would attract more than 5,000 I seriously doubt they get less than 2,000 for a local derby! in fact Sheffield attract more than many Championship clubs. Without the licence system how does a club like Widnes survive? it takes time to build a club when you get into Super League and there attendances are nothing like in the Cup Glory days! The whole game of Rugby League needs to be looked at but not by a failed Halifax club secretary not acting as a CEO of the RFL!

In my most inbreded Lancashire accent! I will read the rules

Spot on - excellent post.

Well said.

Well I was born in Parr and have no imbreded Lancashire accent, not that I would be ashamed if I did, but I have never swore Once in my life and your comment says a lot! I was brought up there are Billions and Billions of words you can use rather than swear! so I will ignore your "parochial" swearing! I can always Hold my Head Up High! don't need to get to gutter talk!

The 'loyal' fan speaks. When London fizzle out you can always pick a new team.

The fact you support London despite being born in St helens says everything about what is wrong with todays society and country. No Loyalty or honour. Disgrace.

Alternatively, what is right about our country is that the people in it are free to follow the sports team of their choice.

We can't give up on London. To give up on London would be to basically give up on meaningful expansion, to the most important city in the country! If we give up on London then IMO we give up any hope of ever being a major sport in this country. Maybe a lot of fans would be happy to keep 'our' sport in our little section of the country where we keep ourselves to ourselves and maybe that's what us as fans deserve anyway, but it's not what the sport deserves. Unfortunately, it's what we're going to get with the attitudes of the majority.

You don't have give up on London but the Broncos are finished, there's no pride there, no heart, the fans have had enough, the club is effectively dead, terminal.