Nah you're confusing the 70-0 in 2004 with the 74-16 in 2001. Easily done.

Aren't we all pleased the new season has started

Next week will be better

Saints were made to look poor by a dominant pack, like the one that Baloo played in at Odsal in there pomp. Whether this is a false dawn or not we will see but at this point I'm happy to see the forwards gelling and making space for the HB's.

Simple RL but highly effective.

As for NB, good luck with him, no bottle in big games. Cannot fire his teams up

It's Round one. That's all. Any team can have a bad day. Saints will be fine. One victory or loss at this stage of the season means absolutely nothing. Let's see what happens when you come to us in a few months' time. Will probably be a totally different story then.

Don't wanna say I told you so but "I told you so" don't think Saints fans realised what we had to put up with playing guys like Faiumu, Ferguson and Gilmour at prop, Anderson could see straight away we were getting bullied cos 2 lightweight.

Not gonna gloat about the result but better than I feared by about 40 points!!

Early days and you won't play that bad again however don't be suprises to see Manu on wing next week and Wellens at stand off with Hohia at prop.

Said before your welcome to Brown cos he ain't the world class coach everyone keep telling me he is.

Don't worry - as each of the last 3 seasons have shown us - nathAn will be linked with a move back HOME soon

Nah that wasn't it. Yes, your pack dominated ours but that happened last season too and the one before because we have weak and lazy pack. But for Saints it was a whole team effort. At least under Simmons we could scramble defensively. There wasn't even the effort there to be bothered with that.

Some of us didn't think he was. We weren't all drooling over him you know! I was one of the cautious ones, and I'm still cautious. I know we don't have much in the way of players these days either and they have a lot to answer for just as they did with Simmons this time last season.

We was destroyed in every department. Its as simple as that.

I just hope it was a bad day at the office. Sometimes you get them games and I hope it was on tonight.

I must say, I'm concerned about things I seen tonight. They destroyed us in every department.

I didnt like seeing the forwards doing the ball handling, we ain't the Canterbury Bulldogs. We lacked ideas just like last season. The forwards looked like some have gone a season to far. Halfbacks looked poor like season. The list could go on.

Unacceptable that for a home opener with a new coach against his former team. To be out-enthused and out-played so easily makes this probably the worst home opening since newly promoted Doncaster turned us over in Bobbie Goulding's debut. It's the first game so I'm not writing off the season but if we don't improve our defence (as I was expecting under Brown) it won't matter what we do with the ball.

To be fair to Manu, he is an attacking player who in a good side will be a big asset, I've always rated him since he was at Cas, the players to really blame are the established ones Roby, Wilkin, Wellens, Meli etc, absolutely no sign from any of them that they have been St Helens players for years.
I said on our board that its far too early to write you off yet, but as bad as you were, Hudds were really very good.

I live for days like this.