Not sure there is this almighty difference between the Saints and Giants squads.

Unless he gets a lucky set of CC draws I would put money on you not reaching a final under Brown . Not a pop at saints, just the limitations of Brown.

IMO your squad is miles behind Wigan, saints, Leeds, Catalan, Warrington and hull.

The likes of grix, mcgilvery, murphy, gilmour, brown, Moore, ferguson, Lawrence and others I can't even think of are average players.

I agree with this (although I have no idea what perpetration is? )

Its a bit like in cricket having a few difficult overs to survive at the end of a days play when you bowl a side out. Far better to start the following day when you are fresh. Leave Rush and KC in charge, give him a break from what must have been a pretty stressful couple of months at Hudds. Start pre season with new plans and new tactics and a few months to drill them into the players prior to the start of next season.

Who went out of his way to sign those players, make one of them his captain and agree to contract extensions )

McGennis, Clough, Dixon, Wheeler, Foster, Makinson? Its easy to dismiss players.

Truth is with a salary cap every team have average players. Successful teams use the players within their limitations and make them look good Carl Ablett and Liam Farrell are two excellent examples of that.

Saints have a similar fundamental flaw that the Giants have, too light a pack, only Puletua would physically dominate anyone. Much more difficult to play pretty footy without field position or even the ball.

Hard to disagree with this

I think it will be interesting to see how Paul Anderson goes...will he actually do any better than Brown? Anderson will probably get a grip on the dressing room, but will he be able to take them as far as Brown? I don't think so really. IMO Brown is seen as the obvious scapegoat at the Giants.

Brown seems to have taken Hudds as far as he can and seems to have lost the dressing room. Brown is still a very good coach and he doesn't become a 'bad' one overnight

Its obvious that Browns announcement mid season has effected the relationship with the players in the wrong way, perhaps in a similar way with Simmons and our own players at the beginning of the season.
I would bring in Brown next month to work with Rush and Cunningham to try and make some small adjustments to our game, we are nowhere near Wigan, Warrington and Catalans at the moment for game plans and tactics, so is it a risk worth taking.

It is a tricky one, I'm sure Mac will be tempted to bring him in to the club early even if thats just to get his feet under the table and work on plans for next year. If Brown was brought in as head coach I'd assume at least for the rest of the year both KC and Rush would remain as first team assistants

Hulls squad miles better than ours. You watch alot of Hull's games then - dear god.

Whilst Brown was with us i gave him complete support.

He recieved complete support from Ken Davy re FULL salary cap and TRANSFER money to bring players in.

He Recruited the players , he signed them he identified the targets. If players are not good enough he is responsible for recruiting them.


It was his plan to have a lightweight mobile pack. This worked in the first few games but when we were caugt out there was no plan B. We are now left with a pack which has one effective prop and an OK back up.

The rest of his props this year have been Ferguson, Gilmour , Faalogo, Larne Patrick and David Faiumu. 5 second rows ( one with long standing injury problems) and a hooker.

When NB realised we were going to struggle with the pack there was a panic buying of Tony Tonks from Fev. Wire got Chris Hill.

A little story that shows what he is like

Our conditioner last year obviously got training methods wrong. Some players went to NB and said we are not happy.

Did Brown go to the conditioner and discuss it NO.

He invited the conditioner into the changing room and told the players to tell the conditioner what they thought etc.

The players savaged him and left him in floods of tears as he was ripped to pieces. NB then walked out.
There are other salacious tales which i do not know for certain are true but he is good at telling players how good they are and definitely helps players improve.

He does not however IMHO have the man management skills to motivate or make tough decisions when it goes wrong.


A SUPERB no 2 but not a head coach.

He has taken us backwards compared to his first year here.

The only advantage Saints have over the Giants is a better and more established youth set up. Mcmanus has no more money than Davy, the Salary Cap is the same.

We will wait and see