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Foster is a paid pro, he's paid to play rugby as is Meli, he should have no excuse about the silly mistakes that cost us games just like Meli.
Jamie foster has played in big games, Jamie foster has played in two grand finals, Jamie foster was in the knights squad.
He's no excuse for dropping kicks on a regular basis. If in your view it's down to his age that's the reasoning for him being dropped, then rush made the right choice as he's obviously not ready.
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| Its simply the ascendency of Jones and Makinson, the latter now a proven kicker is keeping Foster out of selection, Foster may well be an improved player now but he will not be considered at the moment.
It may well as already mentioned be better for him if he goes out on loan, the problem is his only attribute to a superleague team will be of goal kicking nature.
Rugby Force =. Mass x Accelaration x Technique, Jamie Foster needs to work on all of these as he does not excel in any of these parameters. He needs to re focus and receive better coaching.
My problem is, is our club good enough to coach our younger players to that next level of class, that includes Lomax, Makinson, Jones , Swift, Ashe etc. with the right mental atitude.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "It is you who is indulging in the revisionist history. He had a very good season last season and I think you are the only one I have seen state that he didn't. He was a bit off form at the start of the season but that happens to all players at some point and it certainly isn't good enough reason to freeze him out for two months.
Meli was utterly lazy (again) yesterday and he is a liability in defence. Meli is never a better option.'"
You clearly must watch a different team to me as there is no way on the face of this earth you could possibly be watching Saints... You simply haven't got a ****ing clue and are just the kind of one-eyed kneejerk Saints fan that makes me want to weep...
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| Quote: St pete "I find it strange you can crucify Meli for losing games due to his mistakes but you can make excuse for Jamie foster who has cost us games this year and possibly cost us a top four finish.'"
It's because she's a one-eyed fool with ludicrous pre-packaged opinions that will not change ever no matter what happens. There are depressingly many, many of them about. Don't let it get you down.
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| Foster did his job of filling tge wing berth and kicking goals for a couple of years. He hasn't made tge step up needed to become a top player, which is a shame, but part of tge natural selection process of being a pro sportsman, very few do make it. He'll do ok in tge championship and if he shines at a club like Leigh may earn another crack at super league with a Salford or wakey. Ship him out and move on.
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "It's because she's a one-eyed fool with ludicrous pre-packaged opinions that will not change ever no matter what happens. There are depressingly many, many of them about. Don't let it get you down.'"
She certainly not getting me, it's amusing really
We all know Meli has/made mistakes in the past and I'm sure he will again in the future but at the moment he's doing on ok and certainly shouldn't be dropped based on the fact hes leaving as she posted.
Meli and foster are both paid rugby league players and should be tested the same if they make mistake. It's not like foster hadn't got any experience.
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| Jamie Foster is a one trick pony at the moment and although he does show a good team spirit, that's not enough. He is a grade A goal kicker, but his defence is only so so, his offence is the same. SL is not grid-iron a top player must have more than one attribute and though a top goal kicker can win you a tight game, he must have more to offer a side.
If he put more thought into improving the rest of his game and less in trying to look more like Dave Beckham, then he could be a half decent player, till then, Rush should leave him where he is.
Rock 'n' Roll.
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| It's simple, really. Meli has the shirt and should keep it until:
a) his current performances fall to a level that don't justify his selection and there's someone waiting in the wings (pardon the pun) who offers more, or;
b) someone is performing so outstandingly in the reserves to the point where they are impossible to ignore.
Neither applies currently.
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| Quote: Cragganmore Kid "It's simple, really. Meli has the shirt and should keep it until
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Huh? I don't hear you criticising Jon Wilkin for having his shop! Foster has shown wisdom there that a lot of RL players don't display
Are you being deliberately obtuse???
My post said that he needs to decide - the tweets about him kicking goals in the park with his grandad were hardly about first team games. With regard to the Wilkin comments - fair enough HOWEVER JW has been a regular first teamer for 10 years, has delivered consistently for that time and is probably one of the first names on the team sheet. He does bang on about his other interests but to be fair he is approaching a time where he needs to think about what he does after - Jamie IF HE WANTS IT has 12-15 years ahead of him, he hasnt made it yet and he needs to decide what he wants to do about it. His call I have no view as to what the right career is for him - but if it is RL at this stage in his career he need to focus.
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| No one disputes the wisdom of giving Foster time to work on his game in the reserves. He'd clearly lost form and allowing him to continue and have his confidence irrevocably destroyed was senseless.
But for a player to lose form he must have [ipossessed it in the first place[/i. And Foster had put in a very useful stint for the club demonstrating not only the fact that he can kick. Yes, he is not the quickest player in the world and he has yet to physically mature. But this didn't prevent him from showing that he is a very useful finisher with good hands and excellent awareness close to the corner flag. His try-scoring record clearly does not suggest first team football is beyond him.
Since Foster's demotion other youngsters have staked their claims and done well. But since none of them have played an unbroken stretch it is false to suggest there haven't been opportunities to bring him back. Besides, sticking exclusively with Swift or Jones or whomever else runs the risk of creating precisely the same problem we made with Foster - putting too much responsibility on their shoulders too early.
If the club wants rid of Foster - fine. Make an announcement and draw a line under his career here and now. But if he's still part of our plans he won't get any better playing for months in the reserves. Ditto Gaskell, whose game must surely be going to pot spending so long away from the unique challenges posed by SL defences.
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| Quote: steve "Are you being deliberately obtuse???
My post said that he needs to decide - the tweets about him kicking goals in the park with his grandad were hardly about first team games. With regard to the Wilkin comments - fair enough HOWEVER JW has been a regular first teamer for 10 years, has delivered consistently for that '"
Jon Wilkin hasn't delivered anything like consistently for two full years. It's a scandal he's anywhere close to the representative football right now.
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| Quote: steve "My post said that he needs to decide '"
And my post argued that point. He is doing what Wilkin has already succeeded in doing and planning for his future. Therefore, he does NOT need to decide.
Quote: steve "- the tweets about him kicking goals in the park with his grandad were hardly about first team games.'"
No, but that whole story came out as a result of him playing first team games. Now that he isn't in the first team, it is no longer a story.
Quote: steve "HOWEVER JW has been a regular first teamer for 10 years, has delivered consistently for that time and is probably one of the first names on the team sheet. '"
And how long do you think Wilkin has had his shop? He is also the Saints player who has actively begun projects to help players focus upon their post-rugby futures. He began with a project offering Saints players work experience opportunities. Wello worked in the media section of St Helens Council for a while. Also, what do you think goes on at Cowley School? Have you not heard/seen any of the interviews about it? The u20s lads (and younger) are encouraged to study alongside their rugby playing. What about Swift? He's a part-time player because he also has an apprenticeship, I think with Pilks. There is presently a big push on getting players prepared for their post-rugby playing days and part of that is obtaining qualifications or apprenticeships or, in the case of Foster, starting a barbers business with a Saints theme. He is young and if he doesn't make it in the game or if he does so in preparation for when that career ends, he needs a fallback. Well done him I say on getting himself into position to have one. His team mates would be well advised to follow his example and I'm sure many of them are it is just that you haven't heard their stories because many of them will not be playing in the first team.
You just want to have a go at him for no good reason, as do many on here, and frankly it's pathetic.
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| Quote: Mugwump "Jon Wilkin hasn't delivered anything like consistently for two full years. It's a scandal he's anywhere close to the representative football right now.'"
Jon Wilkin was in great form last year. This year, granted. He probably had his first good game last night.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Jon Wilkin was in great form last year.'"
He played well in several games last season - but this is not the same as saying he was consistently good throughout. There were many times I completely forgot he was on the field.
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