I don't agree with that: we took a chance on LMS, Shenton and Flanagan who are potential (or at the time was) young England internationals.

Coupled with that we have also brought through the likes of Makinson, Lomax, Wheeler, Gaskell, Jones, Swift and (arguably) Foster who could all be potential international players

Admittedly we have signed the likes of Perry and Hohaia, but they aren't 'old' players 28/29 when they signed? That's good logic from Saints to bring in these sorts of experienced players to go alongside the younger players named above.

The problem lies in the recruitment, scouting and planning of singing our imports which has quite frankly been abysmal; your point that we have done nothing at all but sign old Aussies is a very weak argument.

I couldn't agree more; I'm sure that I read that we had 90% territory in those first 10mins and then throughout the game the pack got us in some great positions, but as you saythere is NOTHING outside to capitalize on its efforts'"

Hardly a tonking???? we was'nt that bad, 75-0 is a tonking?

Yes Wigun have the beating of us at the minute but we are not that far behind you? Sort our attack out and we'll be a differant side

Not sure I follow the logic. You want to get rid of Meli because he may make an error, and replace him with Foster who has made some serious howlers this year that have cost us games. Foster who offers less than Meli in attack??? How does this work out?

There is a difference, though, between an experienced, so-called international who has played the game for years and who consistently and predictably makes the same errors year in, year out, and a young guy who last season often won us games with his kicking and finishing being a bit off form at the start of the season. Or don't you agree?

Last season we weren't far away from Wigan. This season we are miles away.

Foster is cheaper, English and kicks goals. He scored 20 tries last year, compared to Meli's 12.

However, we were ably assisted by Wigan, especially in the first half. Wigan performed 19 handling errors (to our 11) and conceded six penalties (to our 10). Those errors, which were more numerous in the first half, definitely assisted in getting us up the field. Our pack was not that outstanding. And they seemed to give up entirely during the final 20 minutes of the game.

Our field position was 74% in the first half; 53% in the second according to reports.

I'm not. Josh Perry is simply the worst forward you have signed since Paul Round. Actually he's not. Laffranchi is.

The pair of them are awful. Just awful. Laffranchi is anonymous, and Perry is a big baby and got literally owned, twice, by Gaz Hock. I noticed on Saturday, Hock moved up into our front row when Perry was on, just so he could wind him up. It worked.

The only good prop you've got fit at the moment is McCarthy-Scarsbrook, and even he has underperformed of late. That said, it's not surprising he looks bad, because he can't carry it all on his own, can he?

And yet, statistically, Laffranchi is our best prop. LMS tends to be less effective against an opposition who give him a hard time and defensively he can be less keen shall we say than Laffranchi.

What a ridiculous comment.

Laffranchi has been one our most consistent performers this season.

Robinson is one of the more cringeworthy Wigan trolls on here. But it just demonstrates the papering over effect that a win in a game actually has. If your side wins, every one of your players becomes a superstar and has outplayed their opposite number, whether than was the case or not.

Laffranchi isn't great. He isn't a prop at all. But he's still better than Perry and Clough by a distance and contributes far more than LMS.

Tbf it looks like everyone else is just as far behind Wigan as you lot.

Effort, enthusiasm and courage are no longer enough. We need pace at that position. Why are people still struggling to see this especially when they're the same people that normally complain about the lack of pace on the wing? We need to bite the bullet on this and it has been something that's been a serious concern since at least the second Grand Final loss to Leeds. He has been a great player but this isn't football and physical discrepancies can be cruelly exposed in the most subtle ways at this level i.e. kick returns, linking up, breaks that can't go further than a few metres.

If anyone wants a reminder of what having pace at full back can do, go and look at Amos Roberts' tries during that glorious run he had just before his injury. It was incredible stuff.