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| Quote: St pete "
I feel sorry for lance because he's made his nane as a world cup wining fullback but can't get a look in there due to wello being in form.
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You really think the slug has been in form?!
He may have scored a few times yesterday but he was shown up a number of times yesterday when Widnes just strolled past him as the final man.
In fact I think he's been one of your biggest problems all year. I'm not sure what's keeping him in the squad, leadership or sentiment, but if rush had sense he would've had hohia to FB on his arrival.
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| I think people are being a bit harsh on Hohaia. I think he's going OK, he's not what you expect from a world cup winning player I know but he is throwing some good passes and looks dangerous with ball in hand. Yesterday the camera zoomed out a few times and you could see him giving out the orders in attack.
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| Quote: ChrisPie2 "You really think the slug has been in form?!
He may have scored a few times yesterday but he was shown up a number of times yesterday when Widnes just strolled past him as the final man.
In fact I think he's been one of your biggest problems all year. I'm not sure what's keeping him in the squad, leadership or sentiment, but if rush had sense he would've had hohia to FB on his arrival.'"
I think he has played very well since the bulls game and we badly missed him on good Friday.
He was made to look stupid when Hanbury walked past him but sia can miss tackles but he's being bigged up ever week, roby give a shocking pass to LMS but that don't make him a bad player.
I think wello is passed his best and maybe does need replacing but IMO he's the best fullback at the club.
Players make mistakes and it certainly don't mean they are rubbish.
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| Quote: TheVee "I think people are being a bit harsh on Hohaia. I think he's going OK, he's not what you expect from a world cup winning player I know but he is throwing some good passes and looks dangerous with ball in hand. Yesterday the camera zoomed out a few times and you could see him giving out the orders in attack.'"
I feel for lance, I like him and think he's a god player but he's not playing well and been asked to play a postion he just can't play. He's had one good game at #6 against Leeds but other than that he's been poor.
I noticed yesterday that we've took the kicking off him (about time) as he's shocking at kicking.
Nothing against lance but please get a experinced halfback in and lets get back to playing good rugby.
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| Quote: St pete "He's had one good game at #6 against Leeds but other than that he's been poor.'"
That could be said for the whole team though.
However, I don't think Lance is poor. I just think he needs time to adjust to the position, which he hasn't played in a few years, to being over here and to playing for Saints. He's already had to deal with a change in coach, which is probably something he wasn't anticipating.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "That could be said for the whole team though.
However, I don't think Lance is poor. I just think he needs time to adjust to the position, which he hasn't played in a few years, to being over here and to playing for Saints. He's already had to deal with a change in coach, which is probably something he wasn't anticipating.'"
I can se what your saying but I think it's pretty clear he's not a halfback. I for one didn't get carried away from his one good game at 6 against Leeds.
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| for me lance looks like the perfect impact hooker
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| Quote: Saint Simon "for me lance looks like the perfect impact hooker'"
I honestly think brown will play him off the bench.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "for me lance looks like the perfect impact hooker'"
Fully agree, isn,t that what his purpose was in the NRL.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Fully agree, isn,t that what his purpose was in the NRL.'"
Before his injury and the emergence of Kevin locke he was first choice fullback for club and country but finished his last year as a utility player and started hooker in the grand final.
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| Hohaia never made anywhere close to the number of mistakes he is right now in the NRL. To me he looks like he's still struggling to come to terms with the position, his teammates and the gameplan. That will all come - in time. But demanding that he be an effective and consistent primary playmaker is pure fantasyland. Hohaia is an attacking counterpoint and works best as such.
He isn't a natural scrum half but that's where I'd play him (it's noticeable that Brown mentioned that role in the lead up) with Gaskell at six and Roby and Lomax alternating out of the dummy half (Roby shunting to LF when Lomax drops into nine).
This combination would give us the attacking flexibility to really break up the defence. And looking at the way Huddersfield set their attacking pivots I wouldn't be the least surprised if Brown runs with something similar.
For now we're just going to have to be patient with Hohaia. He's too good of a player to let this bad form carry on for long. But Rush and Co. have to give him something to work with. Lance can't take full responsibility for a team he has yet to get to grips with. And since Lomax isn't the most tactically minded player this means Gaskell has to play.
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| Lance never gets the credit for some of the passes he throws and his tackling of players above his weight puts some of our forwards to shame. If Roby stopped trying to win every game on his own maybe other players may see some of the ball.
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| Quote: roader "Lance never gets the credit for some of the passes he throws and his tackling of players above his weight puts some of our forwards to shame. '"
That's a good point. Was it 63 tackles he put in against Hull? That's a phenomenal amount of work. Which certainly puts to rest any claims he's here for an easy paycheck.
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| Hohaia is a good player, but I think he's taking time to adjust to the way we play and his position. He's already played 3 positions for us and has only just strung a few games together at 6. I think he'll turn out to be a good signing in the long run, we'll just have to be patient with him.
That doesn't hide the fact that I think we made a big blunder in releasing Leon Pryce, a naturally classy number 6 who hasn't picked up an injury this year.
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| Quote: Mugwump "That's a good point. Was it 63 tackles he put in against Hull? That's a phenomenal amount of work. Which certainly puts to rest any claims he's here for an easy paycheck.'"
To be fair, I don't think anyone has suggested he's come for a easy paycheck as he's certainly putting the effort in.
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