It's the way we lost them and who we lost them to.

We was so disorganised is was funny! Totally clueless. Even the players didn't want him.

By the way, wasn't it you bagging potter for boring rugby?


We was suppose to be making Langtree park a fortress yet we've seen fans boo us off.

Bye bye royce, don't ever come back (unless it's as Wigan head coach)

Hull, you mean? They're now second in the table. Last season we lost to Quins and the team were booed off then as well. They were booed off against Hull while Potter was in charge too. Saints fans boo when they aren't happy with their team.

Last season we turned it around the very next game. Guess who we played? Ah yes. Leeds. Funny that.

Hull won't make the top four, they'll be lucky to make the top six.

He got the sack because he was gash

You think? Was Purtill gash too?

Are you really that daft?

The problem is that it appears to people reading your posts that you do.




I think most would be quite happy for him to carry on having a successful career.



Hmmm, but so did Potter. He achieved no more than Potter ever did, Potter had to introduce a lot of the players that Simmons picked, the only players that hadn't been brought into the first team under Potter were Makinson and Ashe IIRC.



Yet you have posted numerous diatribes about the very similar (in style and results) Potter...



We've been playing boring rugby since Millward left. We just had better players with more experience under Anderson.



It's the manner of the defeats that have been worrying, however I did think it only needed tinkering with when we were losing, it's just that Simmons didn't tinker in the right places.

You do seem to put Purtill's name forward in defence of Simmons quite a bit, why is that?

In defence? Don't be soft. He was sacked at the same time as Royce. If the change in coaching staff was as a result of Royce being 'gash' as Pete puts it, why was Purtill fired at the same time?

The whole change was to do with money. If the same set of results had happened this time last season I would happily bet my salary, such as it is, on Royce and Purtill not losing their jobs.

However, McManus, who in an interview clearly stated that he has become more 'hands on' since the stadium has been built, saw a lot of booing fans and thought 'Fook! I still owe my mate in Singapore three million! They can't all leave now! Let's get my little gofa in to save the day' Every organisation has its gofas. The club men. The ones who will wash the laundry and clean the toilets if the boss asks them to. Even when they are senior management.

So Mr. Teflon isn't a Saint?

Well you consistently bring him up as if it's unbelievable that he was sacked, and by association it's unbelievable that Simmons was sacked.



That's a lot of assumption, you don't know the internal workings or what went on behind closed doors. Maybe they wouldn't have been sacked at the same point last year, but at that point Simmons would only have had a few months in the job, rather than a year and a few months.



That's a pretty ridiculous statement and I'll leave that there, but I'd just like to point out to the grammar pedant, that it's spelt 'Gopher'

It don't say much for Royce if a gofa doing a better job than him

That is what you have inferred. It is not what has been said. The head coach getting sacked after a run of losses is quite uncommon in RL outside Wigan - common enough in soccer of course - but how many times have you known a coach and the assistant be sacked at the same time? That would simply suggest that the head coach was not actually the problem but there was a problem elsewhere which was considered solvable only by wholesale change.


I am assuming nothing. I said I would place a bet.

Really? I missed the Grand Final then. And we won it?