Ancient Chinese proverb:

One game in ten years does not a leader make.

He was very good last year and IMO was best backrow in super league.

I've just never rated him to be honest, he always does his tacking which I can't knock him for but he's to slow for a stand off and not big enough to play backrow.

I dont think he's rubbish but IMO he's massively overated and is living off the back of a good season in 2006 and a game at Leeds which was a one off.

To say he's a leader is laughable.

Did you watch him against Hull? He was shocking; I was right near him where he was at one stage in the second half when we were supposed to be attacking the Hull line and he was just stood around refusing to join the line. I thought he must be injured or something but he just looked confused and disinterested.
If I didn't know better it looked like fear.

I wouldn't hang him for 1 bad match but he hasn't been great this season (he's not alone there) and I know he can do better which is just annoying as I'm sure he would like to do better.
Perhaps new coaching.......?.

Nothing wrong with the coaching. Remember, he was outstanding last year. Same coach as the one we had against Hull.

Maybe Wilkin has shown leadership qualities in spades by choosing not to put himself in the way of Simmons' gameplan? A sort of 'work to rule' to show the gameplan is flawed, in the hope that Simmons changed it/got dumped? If the senior players had lost confidence in Simmons, why would you expect them to try to bale him out?

Hmmm .... winning pay?

Wilkin is pretty terrible all he cares about is media i used to think he was half decent till 3 years ago now all he cares about is how he comes across

I'd hate to see your opinion on Harrison Hansen and Sean O'Loughlin then. Terrible Jon Wilkin beats them both hands down this season at Metres made, Carries, Tackles, Tackle busts, Offloads, Clean breaks, Marker tackles, penalty rate.....you know, all the things you'd want from a back rower.

Sorry, what is Royce doing this Sunday? I can't quite remember.

That doesn't mean there was anything wrong with his coaching. Purtill went too. McManus has fired a coach before. Was he poor too? He was very successful.

You still haven't addressed my point though. Wilkin was superb last season. Last season Saints were coached by Royce. Royce also coached Saints for the first seven rounds this season. So therefore the problem with Wilkin's performance cannot be the coach.

So there's no chance Royce asked Wilkin to play a slightly different role this season and allow our slightly more experienced half backs to show what they could do? If he's playing a typical back row role, staistically, he's doing it better than Sean O'Loughlin. What do you think about that?

Purtill was an assistant coach. He probably did his job very well but I've absolutely no idea on that. No matter how well he did his job, he didn't pick the team or tell the players how to play, so just as with your Lance Hohaia statistic, it has absolutely no relevance to Jon Wilkin.

Sure there's a chance. Just as there's a chance Royce told Wilkin to play standing on his head.

Maybe his performaces have declined as all the good influence left over from Mick Potter have gradually worn off?

Deary me. Is this because your "completely anonymous" argument has been shot to pieces? Or that you're still in cloud cuckoo land that one good game in the halves against Leeds 5 years ago makes him the next Wally Lewis?

All joking aside, you say that Wilkin is capable of a good showing in the halves due to a great game he played away at Leeds. Lomax produced a masterclass at scrum half at Leeds last season, yet isn't a scrum half in the memory of man.

What's the difference?