watch that drop as the defeats mount up.

We look poorly coached. We have talented players who dont look like they have a plan. Wellens is a waste of a shirt , he's a doorstop these days, offers nothing in attack very predictable.

Today with the team he picked when we were going nowhere I'd have thrown Gaskell back at 1 and dragged Wellens off for Wheeler, he was brought on way too late

Wonder what Daniel Anderson is upto ...

don't think Simmons has the bottle to drop Wellens.As for Gaskell,would he do a job at FB?

You're telling me that we are light? Last year Leeds had Kirke, Lauititi and Bailey as their interchanges. Forgive me but we had LMS and Perry for replacements tonight, they aren't light lads. They just aren't motivated and angry enough. A swift kick to the nuts would set them right.

Motivation is required, not weight.

I thought the game turned when Wello messed up the 3 on 2 it was a certain try is he had passed,then to compound it he dropped the offload from Perry not long after.

A dustbin would have been better than Wellens tonight , Gaskell is faster has better hands and has a far more dangerous running game not to mention a good kicking game, putting Wheeler in the halves earlier tonight and taking off the Snail would have at least give defenders something to think about out wide, as it was the attack simply stopped when he chimed in.

I don't think it is defeats which are the problem per se. It's the manner of the play. We have a reasonably fit team this year, which we didn't last year. But we have a disinterested and disjointed team this year. Without Jammer AND Robes we have nobody who cares enough or is capable of leading either by command or by example.

I said it last year and I've said it all this year that we are a very poorly coached team.

He's no Kyle Eastmond is he?

Nothing wrong with the players at saints, it's down to the coaching.

I've never seen a team so flat and not up for it. We come out like its a training session.

1 - Wellens 3/10. Defensively sound tonight, offensively horrendous. He's a complete liability and should be asked to remain on the half way line when we have the ball in future. How many overlaps did he waste tonight? Why couldn't he take Perry's offload? (The answer is because he couldn't keep up with him)
2 - Gardner 6/10. Solid enough, finished his try well. Cost us a chance of a fightback with his daft NFL block
3 - Shenton 3/10. Woeful defensively, gifting Turner his outside was criminal. Is proving a very poor signing.
4 - Meli 5/10. Average
5 - Foster 6/10. Did nothing wrong tonight and at least tried to do something
6 - Gaskell 3/10. Confidence is completely shot and it's irresponsible of Royce to keep playing him
7 - Lomax 2/10. Worse than Lee, panicking and trying too hard
8 - Puletua 8/10. A rare shining light
9 - Hohaia 3/10. Utter rubbish, compare his work tonight to the Hull FC hooker (Houghton?). Some of his scooting around looks semi dangerous but he just gives off the aura that he's not really trying and his distribution was so, so slow tonight, it was as if he was deliberately delaying his passes, which more often than not led to Hull being right in our faces.
10 - Laffranchi 4/10. Not good enough. He's an average backrower masquerading as a prop. His only work tonight was running back penalties for easy metres. Tackles well but has no impact whatsoever with the ball.
11 - Wilkin 6/10 - Tried hard as ever, but too small to make an impact in a beaten pack
12 - Soliola 7/10 - Probably our best player this season and the only player that really tries to put any aggression and meaning into it.
13 - Clough 2/10. Not good enough for Saints, had no input at all

14 - Dixon 5/10. Average
15 - Wheeler 4/10. Got 18 minutes instead of 8 so clearly Royce thinks he has potential. But did nothing bar his one trick step and wasted good territory with about his only touch of the ball.
16 - LMS 4/10. Rubbish. Looks lean and not very mean. He is one player who could do with working with some difference coaches IMO.
17 - Perry 4/10. Probably his best game for Saints tonight, worked hard, but completely out of shape and utterly dominated physically by the Hull pack.

the coach is a big problem but this is the weakest squad of players in many years.

Your moaning sounds exactly like this time last year. But what happens you got to the grand final.
Come on there a lot of games left and like you and Leeds have shown get into the playoffs and anything can happen

We don't have the players to do a Leeds. We're where we should be in the table, we've not got injuries to key players to blame like Leeds had or the excuse of having a new regime in charge.