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| Quote: bewareshadows "For me Wilkin would be an ideal captain. He has the head for it game wise and the head for it personel wise. He knows when to talk calmy and when to smash heads together.'"
Wilkin is a good communicator. But that alone doesn't make a good captain. I mean, I like Wilkin and think he's underrated. But Richard the Third he aint.
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| It's a massive worry, foster isn't a great defender but even by his standards that was a disaster
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| Quote: Blobbynator "Wilkin, Roby and Soliola are the only consistent forwards we have. The others can be a bit hit and miss really, even Puletua.'"
There isn't a team in the land that has an entire pack of consistent performers. In any case I don't see consistency as the issue. It's [icohesion[/i or lack thereof.
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| Quote: Mugwump "The defence was poor. But far worse was the lack of leadership and direction. nobody other than Wilkin occasionally took the game by the throat and drove us.'"
Totally agree, been saying something similar on all the games this season, no leadership and direction, running around like headless chickens at times. Not sure if this rotation of players is working either, our pack is very soft with no weight mass.
Well done to Catalans, taught us a lesson we use to be good at..........play for 80 mins.
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| Quote: Mugwump "Wilkin is a good communicator. But that alone doesn't make a good captain. I mean, I like Wilkin and think he's underrated. But Richard the Third he aint.'"
But given the choice of players for Captain????
Wellens
Roby
Wilkin
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It has to be a player who will play most weeks most game and be able to have some impact on the game and verbalise that to the other players?
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| Role reversal of the Salford game with a decent first half and an awful second.
The defence has been well covered in other posts but what about the attack? We hardly got near the Cats line in the second half.
Well payed Catalan and can't argue that they desereved it.
Back to the drawing board lads.
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| I'll keep saying it - Lomax is NOT a scrum half.
Now, before I get the usual bunch of fanboys throwing their panties at me in disgust this does NOT mean I think he is a bad player. Far from it. I just think his undoubtedly valuable attributes are better suited to other positions.
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| You think it was bad tonight, just wait until you play them in France with a French ref, then you will know the definition of pain
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| Quote: bewareshadows "But given the choice of players for Captain????'"
I really don't see any obvious candidate on the pitch. Yeah, Wilkin could do a job. But it's a bit like picking Steve McClaren as the England manager.
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| Quote: Mugwump "There isn't a team in the land that has an entire pack of consistent performers. In any case I don't see consistency as the issue. It's [icohesion[/i or lack thereof.'"
I can see your point re. lack of cohesion. I think we're relying on individuals at the moment and the whole side isn't pulling their weight both offensively and defensively. Our defensive structure looks all over the place right now.
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| Given the negativity on here, I'm scared to check redvee......
I still think the team has enough in it and it's fixable. But the question is will it get fixed?
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| I would play Gaskell at scrum half and Lomax at stand off, keep Lance away from the half back positions and put him to full back. Lomax and Lance are mis fits in the side at the moment, Simmo is not doing any set plays with these two, he needs to make his mind up what his best back line should be.
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| Quote: Blobbynator "I can see your point re. lack of cohesion. I think we're relying on individuals at the moment and the whole side isn't pulling their weight both offensively and defensively. Our defensive structure looks all over the place right now.'"
I agree.
We have lazy forwards - they don't leg drive in attack and they don't work hard in defence. And Wello shouldn't be on the pitch. (I never thought I would say that)
Royce won't do it because I think he's soft, but I'd drop one or two of our forwards and stick some newbies in there who will be hungry to show the coach what they can do. It worked a treat for us last season; we should try it again this season, but on this occasion by choice rather than by necessity.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "I still think the team has enough in it and it's fixable. But the question is will it get fixed?'"
Not with the forwards and fullback we have, no.
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