I'm perfectly happy thanks I just get annoyed with turncoat pretend fans like you (who in reality know very little but are only too happy to make stuff up)and some of the moronic Wigan trolls that infest these boards at times.

I am no Pretend fan, though I am unsure what you mean by that statement I was born and educated in St Helens and still Proud of that! I support West Ham United and did support Fulham RL from their first game because I was working in London full time, if that is a Traitor, so be it!

Your unsubstantiated claim I know nothing sums you up, as calling Wigan fans who visit here as [im*****c[/i, which I see as a stupid comment just because they may think different from you, have you heard of tolerance? do you know we get Saints fans visiting our forum does that mean you also see them as [im*****c[/i

We are never going to see eye to eye, I will just ignore you in future that may be best, most rugby league followers get on well together even if and when we support different clubs, but I suppose everyone is not the same! as most people do not need to call others d * * * s & m * * * * * c and you are No1Saint??

Have you seen most of the trolls who come on here? clearly not. All Wigan fans? nah some are ok. I notice in your little story of crap you forgot to mention the fact you WERE a Saints fans. I post on other boards but I dont troll. You make stuff up to suit yourself, like the fiction on St Helens council

Ok kids, lets calm down, jaybs stop trolling and No1 Saint dont swear at him or rise to the bait

No disrespect intended but why are you here on the saints forum upsetting eveyone? The facts about the stadium have been stated in detail but you still want us to imagine that somehow the Council has bailed us out.
Oh if only that was the truth like warrington.

The issue for many fans is that St H B.C. have not helped enough.
So, I wish you were right then Mac could have kept some money in his pocket for for so called big name signings.

You have every right to post here fella, just as we have every right to pull you up on your negative nonsense - especially when it's fictional.

Enjoy your stay.

Seriously?

Tomkins - 22
Richards - 29
Carmont - 33
Tomkins - 24
Charnley - 20
Finch - 30
Leuluai - 26
Coley - 33
McIllorum - 23
Lima - 29
Hoffman - 27
Hansen - 25
O'Loughlin - 28

O'Carroll - 24
Farrell - 21
Tuson - 23
Paul Prescott - 25

Average age of the team that played Catalan was 26 and that included a late withdrawal for Lee Mossop to be replaced by someone who is 2 years older. Carmont is getting on and Coley is leaving. They're the only 2 who are 'old'.

Lee Mossop - 22

Yeah but let's be honest, Tomkins and Leuluai will bugger off to the NRL soon.

As for Jaybs, he's a bit like Rogues, on here all the time boring the pants off us with his little digs at Saints.

BOTH the Tomkins brothers will be playing Union very soon.

The average age of the Saints squad is 23. The average age of the team who beat you last weekend was 24.4. But don't worry, you're getting there.

Wigan arnt that old, but dont seem to have replaced Coley or Carmont or Hoffman (I may be wrong) for next year. Wire on the other hand are aging. Their go two players Briers and Morley are well over 30

I find this age discussion pointless. The average age will change each year as youth are brought in and oldies retire.

For me the question to worry about is what does the future look like. For me we have two half backs potentially for the next 10 years.

Wire big game players are aging morley. breirs monaghan and hodgson. With their target of chase signed up to cas long term they will have to look internally.

Wigan have some good youth both in forwards and backs so they will probably feel the loss of players like deacon and hoffman less.

Hoffman for me has been huge for wigan this year a really quality backrower and for me one of their biggest threats two weeks ago until he was put on his backside. He was really motivated and trying to motivate others.

All teams feel the loss of big name players I'm fairly glad wire have tied up dogger monaghan long term on the wing. For me its an overseas spot wasted. Wingers are a penny a dozen and agood spot to introduce new youth players.

But if we are hoping age stops these teams we are sadly mistaken. I think wigan will suffer most this year with the loss of hoffman and the coach coley and deacon. I dont think gorilla man will last long in the top job if he does get it. I give him one season.

If they don't start well he might be auditioning for the Planet of the Apes sequel before June. I hope they don't realise their mistake a snap up Daniel Anderson