FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > St. Helens > Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday?
107 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , Saint Simon , BackrowSaint
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach16170No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2016Oct 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
40218_1286737075.jpg
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg



Quote: Cragganmore Kid "I'd love to see Simmons really mix it up by having a genuine attacking threat at FB, Pryce or Lomax, with Wello as the 'bench back' if we need to go safety first.'"

Pryce hasn't been an attacking threat since he decided to go to the Dragons and Lomax isn't fast so I don't think he would be much more of an attacking threat from fullback than Wello is especially given his tendency towards panic and his lack of experience. Makinson is looking more like a potential fullback IMO than Lomax. But all that is for the future. What we don't need next week is massive changes. We've had enough of those throughout the regular season. It's far too disruptive.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach2794No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2016Jun 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
13011.gif
[color=red:17c7k77w][size=200:17c7k77w][b:17c7k77w]I READ THE AUP BUT PREFERRED THE MOVIE[/b:17c7k77w][/size:17c7k77w][/color:17c7k77w]:13011.gif



Quote: SaintsFan "Pryce hasn't been an attacking threat since he decided to go to the Dragons and Lomax isn't fast so I don't think he would be much more of an attacking threat from fullback than Wello is especially given his tendency towards panic and his lack of experience. Makinson is looking more like a potential fullback IMO than Lomax. But all that is for the future. What we don't need next week is massive changes. We've had enough of those throughout the regular season. It's far too disruptive.'"


Pryce is one of the few matchwinners we have. If you're defending Wello on the basis of 'poor form after injury, surely Pryce is allowed the same mitigation. Chiming into the line from FB would allow him to drift in and out rather than carry the organisational responsibility. When he's free to roam, you get the best from him.

Lomax is far more pacy than Wello and certainly elusive. I'd love to see him on a kick return.

Makinson is also an option, but I'm liking him on the wing and I'd prefer to leave him there - safe hands on either flank with the ability to finish. Nice.

I take your point on massive changes. I wouldn't make them. But I would chance my arm a bit, and hopefully catch Wigan a little cold.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12189No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2017May 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
34133_1401485799.png
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_34133.png



Quote: SaintsFan "To begin with you conveniently bypassed my use of the word 'experience' which, given our season, has been vital. Wello hasn't been in the best of form since his injury at Wigan at Easter (prior to which he was fabulous). He isn't 'past it'; he's just suffering from a lack of form and some of that will be down to him playing with injury as have many of our players.

I'm sure we will see him back to form next season. Meanwhile, he has managed to pull off some great try saving moves even when off form and he brings vital experience to the field as a member of a team which is very much lacking in experience.'"

Yes Wello is experienced, but so is ray french, would you play him?
Wayne Bennet when asked how he'd kept Brisbane at the top for 20 years "Having the guts to drop your established 30yr old star for your 19yr old future star" Wello's not the best fullback in the league anymore, hes not even in the top 3

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman25689No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2016Mar 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
1617.jpg
[quote="Meyt N Prater Pie"]I think I hate wigan.[/quote]:1617.jpg



Quote: Saint Simon "Yes Wello is experienced, but so is ray french'"


icon_lol.gif Brilliant!

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12189No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2017May 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
34133_1401485799.png
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_34133.png



Quote: Blobbynator "
i try icon_wink.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach16170No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2016Oct 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
40218_1286737075.jpg
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg



Quote: Cragganmore Kid "Pryce is one of the few matchwinners we have. If you're defending Wello on the basis of 'poor form after injury, surely Pryce is allowed the same mitigation. '"

Not really because in his first three outings he made an impact and then he went silent, just passing the ball like Eastmond did. So I don't think his performance has anything to do with recovering from his injury. If he was looking anything like as committed as he was before his injury then I'd be as supportive of him as I am of Wello but he isn't and so I'm not. Just now Pryce isn't an attacking threat at all and so I'd be happy if Simmons dropped him. He's been a big disappointment.

Quote: Cragganmore Kid "Lomax is far more pacy than Wello and certainly elusive. I'd love to see him on a kick return.'"

Lomax is strong and he's nippy but he isn't pacey over a stretch. Makinson is. I'd love to see Makinson at fullback but not for these playoffs!

Quote: Cragganmore Kid "But I would chance my arm a bit, and hopefully catch Wigan a little cold.'"

Stick Wheeler in the halves with Gaskell off the bench and interchange them! That would catch them cold. icon_wink.gif Mind you, it would probably fook us up as well!

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach16170No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2016Oct 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
40218_1286737075.jpg
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg



Quote: Saint Simon "Yes Wello is experienced, but so is ray french, would you play him? '"

Yes. Hilarious.

Quote: Saint Simon "Wayne Bennet when asked how he'd kept Brisbane at the top for 20 years "Having the guts to drop your established 30yr old star for your 19yr old future star" Wello's not the best fullback in the league anymore, hes not even in the top 3'"

Whatever you say.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8991
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jun 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
47035_1386433761.gif
We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif



Like I said Royce will not drop either so it's a mute point.

That's why they both make my probable team.

My point was more that once you're set up that way, having Gaskell on the bench is irrelevant. Gaskell is your go to man for kicks and controlling a game. Not for a desperation flash of brilliance to dig us out of a hole.

Eastmond used to be able to do that , but I'm not convinced he's going to be fit. Wheeler is fit for once, so in terms of a bench spot he gets it above Gaskell, as would Eastmond.

Gaskell would be my first choice half back to control the team and the kicking. But Pryce, Lomax, Eastmond and Wheeler are your go to men when the chips are down and the game plan is not working. I just think playing 2 of them as half back ie Pryce, Lomax just offers control to the opposition halfbacks and means you are going to need to dig your self out of a hole.

As for Meli not a question of shifting him to wing.

I've put TP Roby Graham Sia Moore and Wilkin as a starting pack as thats our most aggressive, high impact, threatening pack IMHO. Swapping any of them for flannery, LMS, Clough, Dixon, Ashurst etc, these players bring a reliability but less aggression and impact again IMHO.

RankPostsTeam
International Star6668No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201014 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2023Jun 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
52697_1334270708.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_52697.jpg



If we're talking bout a personal choice I would pick:

1. Kyle Eastomond
2. Tommy Makinson
3. Michael Shenton
4. Francis Meli
5. Jamie Foster

6. Gary Wheeler
7. Jonny Lomax

8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. LMS
11. Sia Soliola
12. Jon Wilkin
13. Leon Pryce

14. Scott Moore
15. Tony Puletua
16. Paul Clough
17. Chris Flannery / Lee Gaskell / Paul Wellens / Carl Forster

That won't happen though.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member5848No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2018Oct 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: BackrowSaint "If we're talking bout a personal choice I would pick


If we'd played with that all year then I'd agree but we can't be making that many changes at this stage.

Personally, I think that Eastmond won't play again for us and Wheeler will take the back bench spot. I'd like to see him used for more than 10 minutes at the end of the game though.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner29212No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6310_1310045241.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6310.jpg



Eastmond should play. At least then we'll have someone to blame it all on.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10399No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2016Jul 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
16208_1345534518.jpg
[url=www.cater-bake.co.uk]Cater-Bake UK - Pizza and Bakery Equipment Specialists[/url]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16208.jpg



Quote: SaintsFan "Lomax is strong and he's nippy but he isn't pacey over a stretch. Makinson is. I'd love to see Makinson at fullback but not for these playoffs! '"
Do you remember when he was on the wing at castleford and he gassed the full back on the outside? I reckon he may have more than we think, since we're used to see him jinking in heavy traffic.

Going back to his try against Wakey, Makinson has got serious pace, though. I'd love to see him get more ball in space.
I think if Ade's fit to start next year, we should think about getting him on loan to a (SL) side that will give him a run at centre or fullback to develop him. Meli will probably retire end of next year and that will present a massive oppotunity for Makinson if we've prepared him right.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach16963No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2017Oct 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
44308_1279480467.gif
Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time - "You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more" Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif



If wheeler does make the 17 he'll sit on the bench for 72 mins then get eight mins. For them eight mins he'll not tackle or run the ball, that way he won't need a shower icon_wink.gif

Being serious, it don't matter if he plays or not because we will lose. Our pack will be great and our backs will be crap again.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7498
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2023Feb 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
15174_1377541021.gif
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_15174.gif



Quote: Saint Simon "Yes Wello is experienced, but so is ray french, would you play him?
Wayne Bennet when asked how he'd kept Brisbane at the top for 20 years "Having the guts to drop your established 30yr old star for your 19yr old future star" Wello's not the best fullback in the league anymore, hes not even in the top 3'"

It seems to be the Aussie way, hence were getting Hohaia. For me Wello needs to be moved out of the fullback slot ASAP, we have options for this season and next.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10399No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2016Jul 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
16208_1345534518.jpg
[url=www.cater-bake.co.uk]Cater-Bake UK - Pizza and Bakery Equipment Specialists[/url]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16208.jpg



Quote: No1 Saint "For me Wello needs to be moved out of the fullback slot ASAP, we have options for this season and next.'"
Me too. Look at the way WIgan have made the most of Tomkins ability to run at stretched defences - We need to do that with the like of Lomax. Hohia could fill the role Lomax has played this year at first and second recever and Gaskell could come in and take the kicking duties and distribution. If Lance's knees give out we've got Wheeler to step into the halves[size, if fit.[/size


It's the way forward

107 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , Saint Simon , BackrowSaint
107 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , Saint Simon , BackrowSaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


2.5146484375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
54m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Dave K.
3673
60m
Film game
karetaker
4992
Recent
England vs Samoa
NickyKiss
111
Recent
2025 New Home Shirt
Septimius Se
12
Recent
IMG scores
FIL
254
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
361
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
54s
Betting 2025
phil webbo
19
55s
Planning for next season
LeythIg
163
1m
England Vs Samoa Test Series
The Biffs Ba
79
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62922
1m
2025 Recruitment
Bullseye
156
2m
IMG scores
FIL
254
3m
New Kit
Mr Snoodle
60
3m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2537
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40448
4m
Film game
karetaker
4992
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 merchandise
FIL
1
TODAY
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Deadcowboys1
1
TODAY
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
5
TODAY
England Beat Samoa To Take Test Series
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
TODAY
Englands Women Demolish The Welsh
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
Big lads mat
9
TODAY
2025 Shirt
The Whiffy K
11
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
11
TODAY
Sky tv deals
ninearches
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Lord Tony Sm
24
TODAY
New Kit
Mr Snoodle
60
TODAY
Memorable Games
Rugby Raider
6
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
moto748
11
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
Roam Ranger
41
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
24
TODAY
The Aussies are coming
PopTart
19
TODAY
England Beat Samoa Comfortably In First Test
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
England v Samoa
Captain Hook
33
TODAY
England vs Samoa
NickyKiss
111
TODAY
Trinity back on super league forum
RoyBoy29
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Maika Sivo - Expires 2028
batleyrhino
36
TODAY
Danny McGuire new head coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
What happens now
Start@1873
3
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
344
England's Women Demolish The W..
308
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
679
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
524
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
687
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1294
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1515
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1790
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1363
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1639
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2006
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1574
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1668
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1788
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1991
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.64M 1,265 ↑22680,15414,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
There are currently no matches to display.
Matches on TV
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024 3 England M34-16Samoa M
WINT2024 2 ENGLAND W82-0WALES W
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024 2 England M34-18Samoa M
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
54m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Dave K.
3673
60m
Film game
karetaker
4992
Recent
England vs Samoa
NickyKiss
111
Recent
2025 New Home Shirt
Septimius Se
12
Recent
IMG scores
FIL
254
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
361
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
54s
Betting 2025
phil webbo
19
55s
Planning for next season
LeythIg
163
1m
England Vs Samoa Test Series
The Biffs Ba
79
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62922
1m
2025 Recruitment
Bullseye
156
2m
IMG scores
FIL
254
3m
New Kit
Mr Snoodle
60
3m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2537
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40448
4m
Film game
karetaker
4992
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 merchandise
FIL
1
TODAY
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Deadcowboys1
1
TODAY
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
5
TODAY
England Beat Samoa To Take Test Series
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
TODAY
Englands Women Demolish The Welsh
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
Big lads mat
9
TODAY
2025 Shirt
The Whiffy K
11
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
11
TODAY
Sky tv deals
ninearches
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Lord Tony Sm
24
TODAY
New Kit
Mr Snoodle
60
TODAY
Memorable Games
Rugby Raider
6
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
moto748
11
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
Roam Ranger
41
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
24
TODAY
The Aussies are coming
PopTart
19
TODAY
England Beat Samoa Comfortably In First Test
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
England v Samoa
Captain Hook
33
TODAY
England vs Samoa
NickyKiss
111
TODAY
Trinity back on super league forum
RoyBoy29
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Maika Sivo - Expires 2028
batleyrhino
36
TODAY
Danny McGuire new head coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
What happens now
Start@1873
3
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
344
England's Women Demolish The W..
308
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
679
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
524
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
687
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1294
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1515
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1790
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1363
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1639
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2006
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1574
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1668
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1788
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1991


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!