Me and my two mates stayed in the ground as long as possible, before the stewards came waltzing down to get rid off us. Then we had to leave!

Spot on Gaz, the Ultras are the flags and the new songs. I know a few of them and they would not want any violence, it's all to create a better atmosphere, to make OUR GREAT GAME more accessible by people who may not like it.

Yeah, I could see, didn't look like you were causing trouble, just to try and watch us maybe eh haha

If any of you question the motives of the people then come down and meet a few of us. Some of the nicest folk ou could wish to meet. No idiots appart from myself
You can't deny they look great taken to away games and at the home games at the top of the south stand.

Plans for this have been under way for a long time. Details to come in the offseason!

As long as the Rugby League ultras are kept on a seperate mentality to those in football. In football they exist as a vehicle to organise violence and have little to do with the actual football.

I know you've been in touch with a couple of our lads who organize the flags etc but your more than welcome to come to one of our meetings and I'm sure we'd be more than willing to help you and your mates in whatever way we can.

No, no they don't. Having been to game with Sankt Pauli Ultras, and CSKA Sofia and Botev Ultra groups, they don't go out to create violence. An intimidating atmosphere, yes, but not violent.

A few mindless s who attach themselves for a ruckus is not the same as groups designed like 80s firms.

We'll be down. We wanted to get it organised sooner, but there is just too much apathy at the Stobart.

But when that intimidating atmosphere happens outside the ground what happens? One set of chest banging men meets another? It's a fight.

Rugby league is a family sport, so while the colour of the flags and the chanting is okay, I don't want to see intimidation anywhere near the sport.

So we don't have people spilling their passion on the day over already.

I remember back in 05, being stood in a bar in Wigan with about 30 Saints fans, and 30 Wigan fans. All shouting and singing at one another, then walking over and chatting and drinking with other, and mid chat, joining in with another song. That is all this is.

I think what Saddened! Is trying to say is don't start fighting and it will all be fine.

As long as we don't obtain a drum I don't care what we do to be honest, anything to generate an atmosphere is a good thing. Anyone planning to stand near me with a drum during a match should expect it not to be functioning by half time.

Hope you get something sorted! It will be worth it.

Derby days should be even more special if we both have an Ultras group.

Hopefully you can get something good going for homegames, you have the advantage of the standing area.

Joining in on this theme the flags look great i agree as sed the stobart stadiums a bit dead for some reason, next season we`ll get our own identity back withe the terracing behind the sticks, tho its sad to admit wigan fans do seem to leed the way