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| Quote: Div "Totally agree with that one.
A town with RL in its blod, decent facilities and reasonable crowds. Another local derby for us and at least they have travelling fans.'"
Whatever. So you wouldn't have Catalans in because they haven't got many who make it down the M62 in time for 8pm on a Friday night?
Widnes have had enough chances to prove they are worthy of a place and bar the stadium they are not. Halifax deserve it more than Widnes do.
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| Quote: Div "A town with RL in its blood, decent facilities and reasonable crowds. Another local derby for us and at least they have travelling fans.'"
Geez. How dull and parochial are some RL fans.
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Salford won everything last season. Widnes won zip.'"
But didn't have the solid backroom, nor stadium. But I still feel that the heartland teams like Widnes were going against Salford rather than Celtic.
Of course if we're going on finishing positions then Celtic were the losers in the GF that year and therefore deserved their place.
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| Im all for expansion, but this type of thing just puts a massive dent in the sports credibility, and in the attempts to grow the game.
Celtic Crusaders look at best shambolic, and at worst a criminal organisation.
It would appear that the illegal visas relate not to this year but to earlier seasons. Therefore Celtic gained promotion through the divisions and ultimately into SL under false pretences.
That must leave a very bitter taste for fans of clubs denied entry to the championship and also SL.
Consider alos that Salford gained their franchise via a mythical stadium plan, whose trading company Red city developments collapsed into liquidation within days of them being granted a franchise.
It therefore makes a mockery of the franchising process and brings it into disrepute.
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "Therefore Celtic gained promotion through the divisions and ultimately into SL under false pretences.'"
You have jumped the gun. The Borders Agency haven't completed their investigations yet where the club is concerned so we have no idea whether they were deliberately complicit, accidentally so or entirely innocent.
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "You have jumped the gun. The Borders Agency haven't completed their investigations yet where the club is concerned so we have no idea whether they were deliberately complicit, accidentally so or entirely innocent.'"
Didn't Leighton Samuels say that that some had been brought over with visas for his other company a few weeks back? When there was a big deal about their finances?
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "Didn't Leighton Samuels say that that some had been brought over with visas for his other company a few weeks back? When there was a big deal about their finances?'"
But was that the problem which resulted in the deportations? That information hasn't been released has it? Only that there were irregularities with their visas. As yet, investigations into the club have not been completed so we don't know whether that arrangement or indeed any other was the cause of the problem or meant that the club has been complicit in some way. We'll find out soon enough. Personally, I hope the club is cleared. The fans down there could do with a break.
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "But was that the problem which resulted in the deportations? That information hasn't been released has it? Only that there were irregularities with their visas. As yet, investigations into the club have not been completed so we don't know whether that arrangement or indeed any other was the cause of the problem or meant that the club has been complicit in some way. We'll find out soon enough. Personally, I hope the club is cleared. The fans down there could do with a break.'"
Sky text says that the visas were 'insufficient' so it may be. Added to that, weren't most of these going to be binned by the club after this season?
I get the feeling that the club won't get away scot free from this, but you are correct, we don't know the facts as yet so it is all supposition at the moment.
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24148_1315916334.jpg [quote="OFFTHECUFF":1xb0p6sn] Wish i could watch a team like Leigh. [/quote:1xb0p6sn]
[quote="Steve":1xb0p6sn] Dislike Leigh with a passion, but they are a million miles ahead of any other club in this league, a sad fact. [/quote:1xb0p6sn]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_24148.jpg |
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "But didn't have the solid backroom, nor stadium. But I still feel that the heartland teams like Widnes were going against Salford rather than Celtic.
Of course if we're going on finishing positions then Celtic were the losers in the GF that year and therefore deserved their place.'"
But it is so far unknown how long they have been over here illegally. If it is (as looks likely) longer than just this year then these illegal players, many of which are some of their best players ( Jace van dyke, mark dalle cort, tony duggan etc) had a huge part to play in securing that finishing position.
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| Quote: McClennan "If we want to grow our game Celtic Crusaders must be in Super League. There's more potential for our sport recruiting new players in South Wales than there is in, say, Featherstone.'"
Talking to people from South Wales whilst on holiday they said that Celtic dont really stand much chance and arent really getting anywhere down there.
The truth is not always what you want it to be. The simple option would be to lob em out at the end of this season, an action i think should be taken. But who comes in is seemingly a lottery.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| We've just had an in depth discussion on the subject.
Where is the RFL's statement.
If it was only "There will be a statement shortly"
The silence is deafening.
As much as people criticised Mo Lindsay there would have been some sort of response by now.
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Something else to ponder.
IF the club is found guilty then under immigration law a company employing staff illegally can face a fine of £10k per player. eg £60k fine in total.
Celtic would need to pay that within a fixed period, say 30 days, failure to do this could possibly result in a winding up order from the courts, with seizure of assets etc.
www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/ac ... 1073791109
Such a move would kill the club stone dead.
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Something else to ponder.
IF the club is found guilty then under immigration law a company employing staff illegally can face a fine of £10k per player. eg £60k fine in total.
Celtic would need to pay that within a fixed period, say 30 days, failure to do this could possibly result in a winding up order from the courts, with seizure of assets etc.
www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/ac ... 1073791109
Such a move would kill the club stone dead.
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "Something else to ponder.
IF the club is found guilty then under immigration law a company employing staff illegally can face a fine of £10k per player. eg £60k fine in total.
Celtic would need to pay that within a fixed period, say 30 days, failure to do this could possibly result in a winding up order from the courts, with seizure of assets etc.
and I'm not sure if thats such a bad idea ,at least a decision can be made then and then everyone can move on
as stated earlier I would LOVE to see Widnes back where they belong in Super League but I think Halifax have a fair shout as well..............
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "We've just had an in depth discussion on the subject.
Where is the RFL's statement.
If it was only "There will be a statement shortly"
The silence is deafening.
As much as people criticised Mo Lindsay there would have been some sort of response by now.'"
True but it would have just been a load of b0ll0cks. I'd rather they take their time and get it right
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