If only... Goldspink and Cruckshank, two names worthy of any RL team.

What about Frodsham how long is he going to be out for?

He is definately capable of filling in for a few games.

But there shouldnt be hysterics - so long as we only have to play a few weeks with Graham, Puletua, Hargreaves and Clough as our front rows we will be okay - dont want to see those 4 for all of the season however

well we had to let someone go so jake went.

Graham has torn ligaments in his wrist, no surgery though - will play on through the pain till it heals.

Maurie's is confirmed on the club site.

The term cock comes in to mind.

www.saintsrlfc.com/news/1923 10-12 weeks out....by my reckoning, that is it for the season. Cayless not due back until mid-August, then needs time to get fit. Clough and TP need to get stuck in up front again.

www.saintsrlfc.com/news/1923 10-12 weeks out....by my reckoning, that is it for the season. Cayless not due back until mid-August, then needs time to get fit. Clough and TP need to get stuck in up front again.

Then we're really in the mire. Even if by some miracle we manage to keep Clough, Graham, Puletua and Hargreaves fit for the playoffs, they'll be running at reduced effectiveness because of the extra workload.

The club cannot afford to fall down on producing young talent at prop forward - as we did in the 20/30+ years before his arrival. I'm not saying every kid should be another Graham - that's clearly impossible. But we MUST ensure that in crisis situations such as these we AT LEAST have a couple of average+ big guys waiting in the wings. The same has helped Leeds on countless occasions.

I find it hard to believe that we currently have three classy backs champing at the bit but not one prop of similar worth. When you consider that good backs are harder to find than forwards this is particularly annoying.

Totally agree if we think Frodsham is the answer to our injury's well were fecked

Frodsham may well develop into a good player, but he's nowhere near that yet. I feel a bit sorry for the kid because forwards - especially props - need another two or three years of meat on the bone before they become similarly effective.

He's certainly got the right physique - tall (even lanky) with plenty of capacity for muscle, but it's a long-term project.

The truth is ever since Graham was promoted to the first team we've taken our eye off the ball. We lost Bracek - which subsequently turned out to be less of problem than it appeared at the time, but that should have been the signal to step up our efforts in looking for classy front row talent.

And things aren't about to get any easier. Various reports put our academy front row strength at anywhere between average and modestly above average. That doesn't suggest a bumper crop. But even if it did - we'd still have to wait three, perhaps four years to harvest it.

So we're left in the crappy position where we have to recruit from the lower leagues or spend considerable sums on NRL talent.

I should also add the back row to the above. Whilst Dixon & Ashurst look like good solid pros - who at the very least will have a SL career ahead of them - neither are going to make Sam Burgess look over his shoulder for a GB shirt. And THAT is precisely the standard we have to be aiming at. It almost seems as if the club's been too busy applauding itself over Clough (and Graham) to think about making sure they aren't islands in a very wide ocean.

Which means in order to maintain a top level forward pack we're going to have to spend big in a number of positions. And that's not healthy in the Salary Cap Age.

We aren't allowed to sign anyone else until mid 2010 for the 2011 season. Rules is rules.

Frodsham is not ready to play super league yet. I think he may well make a good prop but he just not ready.

He's getting killed every time he takes it in. It's not worth risking his career just because we got no props.

We will have to go with graham, tony p, bryn and clough until cayless gets back.

Calm down!

TP, Graham, Hargreaves and Clough is still a big front row, we just lose impact from the bench with Maurie which is a blow. In the summer months, our pack isn't as much an issue as our pace around the ruck and mobility outwide will help us win plenty of games.

Jason Cayless plays a crucial role when he returns. If he is fit, he'll be a big player in our end of season run in exactly when we need the big guns back, when the weather get's worse. Hopefully Maurie will heal quickly like he did last year when he picked up a bad injury and return with a few weeks of the season left.

I said same thing on anther thread.

Cayless is going to play key role when he returns.

If we get thru until cayless is back we will do fine.

Can't moan with cayless, graham, tony p, bryn and clough.

No, he's not. Cayless hasn't played a solid run of games for more than a year, he's going to be rusty and will probably take a while to get going. Considering Potter has said 2nd or 3rd week of August, if we get to the Cup Final he won't play.

Cayless will get back to full fitness around the end of the Playoffs, especially if he gets pushed in at the deep end with no reserve game time.