Thinking about comparing these two makes my head hurt. We have been truly blessed for the last 20 years.

Didn't Lee Briers greb on KC once? I've a vague memory of him going ballistic about that.

'Greb' ... I think I was in short trousers last time I used that word.

Cunningham revolutionised the hooking role. People suggest he prospered solely off quick ball but quick ball was common prior to his career and I don't recall too many doing what he did. He alone was responsible for the hugely vital attacking strike weapon a hooker has become. He was the start of it.

His defence was not just good but impactful as well. In a manner that Roby's simply is not. Roby may make a lot of tackles but in a game where a big prop is chewing up yardage on us, how often have you seen Roby pick him out and hammer him ? Not once. Cunningham used to do it constantly. He'd change games in attack and he'd change games in defence.

Cunningham also demonstrated an ability to change his game and still be world class. Post injuries, he developed a passing game that Roby still cannot match. Teams were that scared of him going from dummy half that the flat ball across a defence always led to a walk in try, usually for a prop forward.

I love Roby. His engine, work rate and effort levels are brilliant but I'm sorry, Keiron Cunningham he simply is not. Cunningham set the benchmark and was the very best. Roby works his backside off but even at such incredible effort levels, is still not able to match Cunningham's impact, defence or passing game. That's before you even discuss the running from dummy half where as good as Roby is, he ain't no Cunningham.

Keiron defined matches. He won them on his own. He stood up and did something required when the walls were breaking. Roby when we're under the pump I feel goes missing somewhat - Cunningham was the opposite. I'd guess if you asked any opponent of ours whom they'd rather was facing them in the 9 shirt, I'd bet they'd all to a man pick Roby.

I agree with most of what you say, but not this. I think Robe's service is as good as KC's ever was.

We agreed about KC hitting harder, but that doesn't mean Roby's defence can't swing games in its own manner. For instance, the way he's often leading the kick chase is of massive influence on the team and if its resulting in the catcher getting tackled in his own 22 of t least pinned back by their try line.

As I say, KC would perhaps be more likely to pull out that magic play, which is what people like to remember, but overall effect on the match, I'm still leaning toward The Robot.

I think I would go for the "The King" Cunningham over "The Dynamo" Roby, KC was better passing off the floor from the PTB and had better vision of the game to put added pressure on the opposition. Roby is world class in finding open play and had a better kicking game.
KC had scored over 175 tries and probably had a better offloading game than Roby, I,m sure KC was voted in the rugby press The Greatest Player of the Superleague Era (1996-2007) when there were probably more quality players around that period.
Roby may possibly be the last great hooker in a Saints side as the quality of players start to degenerate. We need to look after him for the next 2 years until hopefully someone else comes along.

Its tough to choose and you guys really have been blessed with 2 all time greats one after the other almost.

Imo though i would say Roby has been arguably a more important player for you over the two decades simply because he has had to act as stabiliser to all the greats you had retiring and moving on.Cunningham had the likes of Long,Sculthorpe,Martyn,Pryce,Joynt,Lyon,Wellens (in his pomp) hell he even had the young Roby to act as his interchange when he was in his youth.In comparison Roby has been the one true World class player you have had this last few years of your transition and he always seems to be playing at the top of his game.In Cunningham's day, if he was missing,its fair to say you would still have been contesting top end and for trophies, In this era without Roby you most likely would not have, so he edges it for me.

You won't find me saying a negative thing about Roby. He's a superb RL player.

However, the simple truth is that the only core skill he betters Cunningham at is kicking. Roby is an effort player and he surpasses all at it. Cunningham was that and more. He was a difference maker. He won games.

I genuinely think Roby's efforts have made people forget just how good Cunningham was. From the day he set foot on the rugby field, he was the best.

I love Roby, but Cunningham was the King.

I guess that's a massive compliment in itself. I often think that about Jamie Lyon and Paul Newlove.

Cunningham probably had the better composure stayed calm under pressure. Quite often hookers like Lowes, Newton, Hudson, Diskin use to go out of there way to make it personal and outplay play him over the 80mins, it didn,t bother Cunningham though he would come up with a winning play when it mattered.
Teams find it very difficult to contain Roby because of his all action style but it has been done, with Cunningham opposition coaches could,t create game plans to contain him, he must have been a nightmare.

That was probably the sheer brute force he had, which Roby can't match. Mind you, as someone else mentioned, it would have been a lot harder to concentrate on stopping KC when you had those many Saints Legends on the pitch at the same time. "Stop Roby and you stop Saints" is an indication that, at times, Roby hasn't had the support that KC pretty much always did.

Another thing to consider is that Cunnigham's appearance was around the same time that we signed Newlove, which is commonly thought od as the biggest factor in us turning from Bridesmaids to Brides in our double triumph in 96.
There were other players that help, Goulding obviously, Martyn returned to fitness, Apollo Perelini had settled in and Derek McVey added a real wildcard in the backrow, but Cunningham was a real revolution in terms of hooking play.

Two outstanding players who have contributed immensely for the club over the years.

Cunningham was world class. Towards the back end of his career he had a presence about him, simply by being on the field. He lifted those around him and the whole intensity of our defence was raised. Close to the line he was deadly and time and time again he would jump out of dummy half and produce a perfectly timed and weighted pass to put a runner over the line. On the back of a quick ruck he was incredibly difficult to stop and he adapted his game over time. Defensively he hurt the opposition and teams feared running at him. He played in some great teams and having Cunningham, Long, Sculthorpe and Wello as our spine was obviously a special period.

Robes is just an incredible athlete. He does 80 mins whenever he plays and stepped up at a time when many of our former legends left the club. His speed from dummy half is immense and he'll cause carnage if teams don't control the ruck. His stats are incredible and the amount of tackles and metres he makes every week is special. He's added a kicking game in recent times and like KC, he's evolved and his distribution and game management is outstatanding now too IMO. He's carried us on his back at times over the years and has been a phenomenal player for the club.

Hard to judge who's best. I'd probably go Cunningham but we've been privileged as fans to see two fantastic players pull on the 9 shirt for the time they have. Two legends.

Roby is world class no doubt about it. I can't imagine any team in the world who wouldn't want him in their side.

My only criticism of all his skills is that is passing is often inaccurate. Sometimes it goes to the runner's shoulder which forces a pause in the run to get a grip on the ball flying at the runner's head/shoulder/knee.

Even that is not that often, just a little more often than usual for that position.

I think Cunningham was quoted as saying "I could never do the things that Roby does, he'a machine", Roby would probably say the same thing about Cunningham. Other clubs have had to wait 20 years for this No 9 domination to weaken but we are keeping it rolling along.

When Hanley was our coach, he'd give like a school report on each player every so often and the lads would open if read it and then would discuss with their mates at the club.

I remember one time KC report said "simply the best". Nothing else on it just those words.