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I didn't see the game on Friday so can't comment.

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Amor was fine. I will tell you who the defensive liability in our side is, Jon Wilkin. He missed so many tackles again on Friday. The whole team can't defend though, it's the weirdest thing about KC's tactics. He goes for this 'grind em down' philosophy, but we simply can't defend our line. We had so much more possession than Cas but they scored pretty much every time they got the ball near our line.

Friday was a strange game, not unlike the Huddersfield game. We were solid, completed the sets well and kicked superbly. I think from memory we forced something like 6 or 7 drop outs. That pressure told eventually as Cas lost players to injury and we managed to grind out the result. The negatives were our defending close to the line, which is truly shambolic, and our inability to attack with any sort of cohesion. We looked far better balanced when Swift went off injured. It put Turner back to centre and brought Theo into the halves, which meant we had options across the field. We still didn't gel, but we at least had the ability to shift the ball across the field competently and had options when kicking with Walsh, Wilkin and Fages all available. I thought Fages did well, stopped two breaks with superb cover tackles. The lack of breaks is a concern, if we're behind in games we'd really struggle to get back into them.

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Quote: Judder Man "LMS giving daft penalties away'"


That does not sound like LMS at all... icon_rolleyes.gif

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Wilkin, not for the first time, was our top tackler. He missed 5 of 39 (13%), but there were plenty who attempted fewer tackles and had a higher miss rate: Dawson missed 33% of his, McDonnell 40%, Turner 42%, Walsh 25%, Walmsley 15%. So, while I agree that our defence looks ineffective and that one factor in that ineffectiveness is poor tackling, it's odd to pick out Wilkin as a particular offender.

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Maybe I'm the odd one out but I enjoyed Fridays game.

I don't expect to see free flowing rugby on a wet windy evening in March.

It was a tight evenly fought game of rugby where the result was in doubt until the last minute and I think it's fair to say that if Roberts had stayed on the result may have been different, but that's rugby.

Yes players miss tackles but sometimes you have to credit the opposition.

I preferred the shape of the team in the second half with Turner at centre and Fages in the half backs, in this case the change was caused by Swifts injury but maybe Fages is best used as a second half sub to run at tired legs.


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Quote: Hawkandro "That does not sound like LMS at all...
Strange, but true, he didn't give away a single penalty on Friday.

Which game was Judder Man watching?

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Quote: Saint Rabban "Strange, but true, he didn't give away a single penalty on Friday.

Which game was Judder Man watching?'"


The stats haven't shown it, but he gave away a penalty on the 5th tackle for lying on around the half way line, myself and half a dozen others were cursing him for doing it as it just piggy backed Cas up the field. LMS is one of our worse offenders in the team for it.

Don't think the stats are right for Amor either, he missed 4 tackles, 2 of them when he rushed out of the defensive line grabbed and missed and he also failed on both occasions for Castlefords 1st and 3rd try.

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Quote: Judder Man "The stats haven't shown it, but he gave away a penalty on the 5th tackle for lying on around the half way line, myself and half a dozen others were cursing him for doing it as it just piggy backed Cas up the field. LMS is one of our worse offenders in the team for it.

Don't think the stats are right for Amor either, he missed 4 tackles, 2 of them when he rushed out of the defensive line grabbed and missed and he also failed on both occasions for Castlefords 1st and 3rd try.'"


Cas's first try was caused because Vea slipped when coming off the line, Amor tried to cover from marker but got stood up as a result. the third try came about because Amor came off the line and Vea didnt.

LMS is frustrating with his penalties, and is seemingly offering ever decreasing returns.

Wilkin, regardless of percentages, is 4th for missed tackles across the whole of the SL.

Our entire back row needs a shake up imo.

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Quote: bewareshadows "Just goes to show what people focus on. The radio Leeds commentators gave huge credit to Amor said he had a massive for Saints.'"



Amor got through mountain of work in first 20 mins. He was taking it in 2 times in each set at times

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Quote: Simeon Stylites "Wilkin, not for the first time, was our top tackler. He missed 5 of 39 (13%), but there were plenty who attempted fewer tackles and had a higher miss rate

Wilkin did stick out like sore thumb for his missed tackles as he seems to be left on the ground and then you see him slowly running back into the line so it stands out.

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Does anyone know the extent of Swift's injury? The lad has been fantastic for us in my opinion. He's probably the only one in the team I would back to go full length of the pitch from broken play, has great footwork, defence and an excellent attitude IMO and I love how he never gives up a lost cause, cutting across field to make sure an opposition player can only score in the corner at the very worst.

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Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Cas's first try was caused because Vea slipped when coming off the line, Amor tried to cover from marker but got stood up as a result. the third try came about because Amor came off the line and Vea didnt.

LMS is frustrating with his penalties, and is seemingly offering ever decreasing returns.

Wilkin, regardless of percentages, is 4th for missed tackles across the whole of the SL.

Our entire back row needs a shake up imo.'"


I've said all last year and this year that our backrow can't tackle. You can't knock Vea and Wilkin for effort in defence but they miss far to many tackles.

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Quote: Simeon Stylites "Wilkin, not for the first time, was our top tackler. He missed 5 of 39 (13%), but there were plenty who attempted fewer tackles and had a higher miss rate

The stats dont pick up the ones where he doesnt even attempt a tackle. I think if we could get a stat for breaks made in the gaps either side of Wilkin it would be a very high number.

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Quote: Saddened! "The stats dont pick up the ones where he doesnt even attempt a tackle. I think if we could get a stat for breaks made in the gaps either side of Wilkin it would be a very high number.'"


If the stats are right, Cas made 5 clean breaks in the match. Did the majority come either side of Wilkin? I'm asking a real question since I was not at the match.

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Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Cas's first try was caused because Vea slipped when coming off the line, Amor tried to cover from marker but got stood up as a result. the third try came about because Amor came off the line and Vea didnt.

LMS is frustrating with his penalties, and is seemingly offering ever decreasing returns.

Wilkin, regardless of percentages, is 4th for missed tackles across the whole of the SL.

Our entire back row needs a shake up imo.'"


But one cannot judge the significance of Wilkin's position in that table without knowing what the percentages are; though I accept the point that's been made many times on these boards that the stats do not show the nature of the misses, either in terms of field position or in terms of the ebb and flow of the match.

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