He does indeed, I cant argue with any of that but in all fairness if I pulled a saints shirt on I would do all of the above; it doesn't mean I'm good enough. With the likes of Amor, Thompson, Wilkin, Greenwood and Roby you have more than enough graft in there, you can afford to have those X factor players.

Whilst Mose does not give consistant performances one thing he has proven is that time and again he steps up in the big games and can be unplayable. He is the rare type of player who can swing a game in your favour on his own.

A choice between that and someone who will make plenty carries at a 5m average gain, I know who I would rather have in the team personally. I think most if not all opposition would rather face up against Richards over Mose too.

Mose meter per carry is pretty shocking for 6ft 6in 23stone guy.

I,m almost sure stat wise he is the best prop in superleague for metres per carry. I,ll answer your next response in advanceBaloo would be an example he didn't do a lot of minutes at the bulls and used as a battering ram, Saints signed him and played him differently gave him more minutes and gave him quality ball resulting in loads of tackle busts.

some still making excuses for out and out bone idle laziness

The problem is you are still whinging about him when he's not even playing, you need to turn the record over and moan about someone else. We all are all wondering who will be the "goat" next season.

The thing is - the coach and squad together can't moan about laziness when you've got players turning their backs and watching guys run past them for tries. Cas' first THREE tries were solely down to laziness.

Do as I say - but not as I do, eh?

How does the fact im writing in a thread about Mose thst wasnt started by me account for me banging on about mose? Isn't it normal practice to chat about mose in a thread about mose? Isn't it against the AUP to talk off subject ?

Not once have i blamed mose for some of our dire performances. Not once have I said HES directly to blame.

Do I think he's lazy? Yes

Do think we carry him ? Yes

Do I think he lets his team mates down ? Yes

Does he like hard tough work ? No

Would I pick him? Not unless we down to bare bones

Do I dislike him? No

I think you have got selective repetitive syndrome, Pete. Don't think we can help you out, just need to factor it in when responding I suppose.

Whatever the case - if we keep losing front-line forwards Cunningham really doesn't have much choice but selecting him.

Do you rate every single rugby league player? Do you not tbink any players in rugby league are bone idle ?

No, I think Mose is rubbish "50%" of the time, I support the shirt he is wearing but don't get hyper critical about a player. It's a team game but some players struggle periodically to get involved involuntary or otherwise.

I'd rather a player put in 100% and play bad than a player put in 5% and still play bad. If mose tried his heart out and was still rubbish than I couldn't call him but he Doesnt put the effort, heart or apply himself. He's got a group of 20yr old kids carrying him and they can get involved.

You won't ever hear me call the likes of flash. Yes we all know flash isn't really good enough but he puts the effort in. Same for Amor when he was off form, I couldn't fault his effort even tho he was playing poor.

If you show pride in the shirt, it's all us fans can ask for.

Big game tonight. How do we think Mose will go?

Will he turn up and give one of his big performances, or slink into the background?

I think enough people have predicted enough things already this season that have not come to pass.

I think we can all agree that Mose is Marmitte as a player. Personally I like him and I would have him in my team.

Does he coast, yeah probably.
Is he a player who can turn a game, yep!

There are plenty of talented players in the past who could do nothing for 50-60 minutes a game and then make a telling impact. I think Mose is one of these. The only issue really is not knowing when he will do it.
If he did it every game he would be worth a fortune and would never have come to SL.

One thing is for sure. He loves eating scabby Wigan pies.