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Quote: Jonesy's a Legend "does anyone/everyone believe that the sooner we go back to the 5m defensive line,the sooner we will see a different approach to attacking rugby?

i often give an example of how good the game used to be under these rules,and i refer to the wigan v hull fc challenge cup final,when either team was in their opponents 20,the backline was standing so deep that their own winger was often stood in his own 20!

surely it's the cheap yards that the players are coached into making at present that is spoiling the game, it is surely the present rules which are to blame,and which make this action a neccessity and such a safe option to move your side upfield without the risk of losing possession,all of which is subsequently detracting from the obvious skills that our players possess,but arn't allowed to show'"


If you have a 5m rule then you can't have the lying on that we've got at the minute! Make the players jump off the tackled man & you've definately got a point. On another point - the players shouldn't get as many injuries because the collisions wouldn't be as strong. Players would be closer together & not have the chance to build up speed & therefore intensify the impact.

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We should definately move back to winter rugby too.

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It's probably been mentioned earlier in the thread but i miss the 2nd cup competition, a resurgance of what was the regal trophy would be inject something into the season, it would force teams to use squads better, and give even more chances for kids to progress.

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Six substitutes on the bench, no interchanges (once your off, your off) and at least two of those subs have to be 21 years of age or under.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "What if we went back to the "very" old rule whereby the dummy half had to pass the ball. If he didn't and was caught in possession than a handover (or scrum with feed) to the opposition.

Would that work?'"


No - there needs to be an element of unpredictability about the game IMO. Running from dummy half is an important element of the game and must remain.

The term 'scoot' was born out of the silly focus on creating an 'attacking' game that allowed hookers an easy ride - Dave Gibbons (?) at Leeds was a decidly average hooker made to look effective for a while because of the focus in 'a fast game.'

No doubt it was some clown from SKY coming up with innovative measures to help the game, but the effects were incorrect play the balls, defenders having to ‘roll away’ like a flange after crunching someone and referees looking to find just about any indiscretion available to punish the defending sdide. The worst offender for this was Russell Smith in my opinion.

The line of what I am getting at is don’t remove a facet of the game that is still important because of a misguided strategy on speeding up the game by artifical means.

I think the powers that be already made a blunder when they removed striking from the ptb. John Neil used to try this quite frequently and it rarely worked, but at it was an age old rule that added unpredictability to the game without ‘’costing’’ too much from the other areas of the game.

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You guys just whinge.

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Then go watch something else. One less 'FORWARD' pass call to put up with at Knowsley Road is hardly a bad thing.

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Quote: D.D. "The brand of football that clubs in Super League are playing is negative and the emphasis has gone from teams trying to outscore their opponents to trying to concede less. That's a simplistic overview, I know, but teams are minimising risks and are unwilling to take a chance on forcing a gap in case they inadvertently leave one of their own.'"


That's relatively accurate, however entertaining does not always mean the standard of play has to be of the highest order. I have seen plenty of sporting events that have been incredibly entertaining without being of the highest quality and British RL is well known for it. At the same time I have seen some dour sporting events despite the protagonists being of the highest quality e.g. world title fights, RL, World Cup, Champions League etc. Of course when high quality is entertaining it is usually the best entertainment.

I stand by my point that we should not ignore advances in the defensive aspects of play to justify a one-side argument about creativity in the game on the back of one or two seasons.

Quote: D.D. "The Aussies and Kiwis showed us on Saturday that it does not have to be this way, you can defend but still give the ball some air and try to fashion chances and, hopefully, the risk-free obsessed coaches of this country will have watched and learned.'"


I'm not sure that referring to an international game and pointing out how great it was is a fair comparison to a regular Super League game. It's logical that the standard should be a lot higher.

Quote: D.D. "does anyone/everyone believe that the sooner we go back to the 5m defensive line,the sooner we will see a different approach to attacking rugby?

i often give an example of how good the game used to be under these rules,and i refer to the wigan v hull fc challenge cup final,when either team was in their opponents 20,the backline was standing so deep that their own winger was often stood in his own 20!

surely it's the cheap yards that the players are coached into making at present that is spoiling the game, it is surely the present rules which are to blame,and which make this action a neccessity and such a safe option to move your side upfield without the risk of losing possession,all of which is subsequently detracting from the obvious skills that our players possess,but arn't allowed to show'"


I think you should go back and re-watch as many pre-professional era games as possible and not just one of the all-time classics. Defences were rubbish in those days which is why teams were able to set deeper lines. Today's defences are up in your face much quicker meaning you can't shift the ball across the pitch without losing yards. To suggest that we should reduce the 10m line to 5m will only make that worse and not better.

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Quote: eddiewaringsflatcap "I think the powers that be already made a blunder when they removed striking from the ptb. John Neil used to try this quite frequently and it rarely worked, but at it was an age old rule that added unpredictability to the game without ‘’costing’’ too much from the other areas of the game.'"


I can't agree with that. All that rule did was make the PTB a mess. I want to watch RL played by players running, passing and tackling each other. The rule you mentioned did nothing other than disrupt play and make the game look a mess.

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McClennan, a bit off topic I know but are you doing a preview of the England games.

I always enjoy your Superleague preview (don't always agree)

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Quote: eddiewaringsflatcap "No - there needs to be an element of unpredictability about the game IMO. Running from dummy half is an important element of the game and must remain.

The term 'scoot' was born out of the silly focus on creating an 'attacking' game that allowed hookers an easy ride - Dave Gibbons (?) at Leeds was a decidly average hooker made to look effective for a while because of the focus in 'a fast game.'

No doubt it was some clown from SKY coming up with innovative measures to help the game, but the effects were incorrect play the balls, defenders having to ‘roll away’ like a flange after crunching someone and referees looking to find just about any indiscretion available to punish the defending sdide. The worst offender for this was Russell Smith in my opinion.

The line of what I am getting at is don’t remove a facet of the game that is still important because of a misguided strategy on speeding up the game by artifical means.

I think the powers that be already made a blunder when they removed striking from the ptb. John Neil used to try this quite frequently and it rarely worked, but at it was an age old rule that added unpredictability to the game without ‘’costing’’ too much from the other areas of the game.'"


NO NO NO!! That was a sh*t rule! Anyone who was unlucky enough to be studded on the knuckles on a cold January day when trying to ptb will agree with me! It used to cause more problems than enough! The 'strike' at the ptb was a way to re-start the game... A link to our rara past & to be fair it was a GREAT day when it was banned!!

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I'm not sure that referring to an international game and pointing out how great it was is a fair comparison to a regular Super League game. It's logical that the standard should be a lot higher. '"


Of course the standard should be a lot higher but the standard of their defence should be higher too. By that logic, the game should possibly have been less open with defences more 'in your face'.

However, both sides wanted to move the ball out to fashion chances. That is not because they are better, it's because they are more open, more adventurous and their coaches are probably less negative in their tactics than those in Super League.

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I think you should go back and re-watch as many pre-professional era games as possible and not just one of the all-time classics. Defences were rubbish in those days which is why teams were able to set deeper lines. Today's defences are up in your face much quicker meaning you can't shift the ball across the pitch without losing yards. To suggest that we should reduce the 10m line to 5m will only make that worse and not better.'"


Well I have just debunked your myth that you can't shift the ball with modern defences above ( icon_wink.gif ) as the Australians and Kiwis clearly can.

I accept that making it 5m would initially cause problems but it would quickly become clear that one man drives and scoots were no longer effectual and the result would be that the teams would have to shift the ball about and keep it alive in a way to force their way through.

Assuming that coaches treat the game as a results business, rather than an entertainment one, then it's obvious that a lot of them will look to be as boring as possible by driving it because it gains more yards in a set of six. Take away the 10m rule and this will no longer be the case and good old-fashioned skill, rather than brute force, will suddenly become a neccessity rather than an occasional luxury.

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Quote: I never thought we'd see the day when Super League was as boring as Rugby Union but that day has sadly arrived "DD Signature still says

out of curiosity I just tuned into Watch Osprays V Galsgow with 31 minutes gone in the first half........

it is now 9 minutes later at half time and I have watched 5 scrums 2 line outs 3 kicks four passes and a penalty kick at goal......in those 9 action packed minutes.........

I'll Let you know if it gets any better in the Second half


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