Burns, Masoe, Flanagan and Swift.

Which would seem counter productive. Masoe is already gone at the end of the season, rumour is flash is gone to (Salford muted). Burns has another two year big deal in the bank & will be laughing his head off & Swift will be one of the lower earners.

He's got an issue with JT at the moment so one will be him no doubt, the others should be Walsh, Les Dawson & himself. The juries out at the moment on all four

Are we talking about players who aren't putting a shift in or are we talking about ability here?

From what I can see, Flash is a workhorse who tackles everything he can and is always willing to put his hand up for other roles even though he probably isn't the best rugby player you'll see. Swift scores tries, defuses bombs and is always willing to run it out of the 20 whilst that lazy 'I'll bother to play when I want to' Masoe watches on.

Burns also puts a shift in but currently his game management and contribution to the attack is a bit poor.

This thread just seems to be turning into a free for all swipe at the players that people don't particular rate than actual effort.

Don't panic, everyone! JT is here to save the day... www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/sai ... ?ref=twtre

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You have GOT to be taking the mickey. I won't defend Burns' go-forward. But the guy is always the first man challenging the kick receiver whilst Walsh looks completely out of his depth tackling for most of the game ON THE WING.

How can you have the supposed brains of the side spending half the game on the wing?

The guy can barely walk. He can't tackle at all. His kicking for territory is non-existent.

Right now the only thing standing in his favour is his ability to kick a ball high.

Saints performed miracles last season winning the GF without halves. But you simply can't go through an entire season with no halves. If you could - there'd be no need for them in the game.

Cunningham has to bench the guy for the rest of the season and look VERY SERIOUSLY at whether he's likely to be anywhere close to fit next because with two key players already with question marks hanging over them for next season (Lomax & McDonnell) we simply can't afford a third.

Well looks like the experiment with JT at loose has failed.

The whole team failed. Another one up performance. Totally clueless with the ball. We must have had 5/6 sets on Hudds line at one point.

Jamie Ellis looked better than both our halves.

Yes, the best gauge of halfback play is whether they challenge a kick receiver.

Walsh defends one in from the wing, as do most halfbacks. Burns defends two in from the wing.

Here was me thinking the things you look for in a halfback are organisation, a kicking game, vision and a passing game (and a running game which neither of them have). Yet despite the fact that Burns has played ten more games, Walsh has made more try assists, more tries, more attacking kicks, more clean breaks and a game winning drop goal. But then again, Walsh does defend out wide, along with every single other halfback...

It's crazy to move Turner to loose (in the second half!). I said we'd be just as leaky down that channel and we were.

To be fair - it was a tough game. Huddersfield were coming with form - but more importantly a settled side. This is something we've just not had in ages.

Can't fault the forwards. Yes, some individual mistakes were made. But the real issue is the link play between the backs and the forwards. It's non-existent.

I think Walsh is struggling so badly with his fitness and lack of confidence that his head for game tactics is completely fried. Danny Brough didn't have to do a great deal to play him off the park.

Toothless, boring, one up rugby. Walmsley and Roby doing most of the graft again. And terrible discipline...we gave away so many needless penalties.

That performance was so bad even Stevie Wonder would have covered his eyes.

The fundamental metric for a rugby league PLAYER (before we even begin to talk about positions) is his ability to contest physically.

Burns can.
Walsh can't.

We where shocking again. No organisation or direction when he have the ball. Someone mentioned that we can 5/6 sets on their line and we only scored from a cheeky drive/scoot. I still think we look shot and tired before we even kick off. Could training be an issue? Also I noticed a little bit of in fighting during stoped play, mainly between Swift and Jones. Either way we need to get a few basics sorted and build. It's starting to feel like Royce is back.