Exactly what I posted earlier I the thread. We've got two impact props in Alex and Mose. Lms for me isn't a front line prop so it only leaves us with Amor.

I'd be very reluctant in picking LMS against Wigan again. He just gets smashed by the Wigan pack. When you play Wigan, you need to have fire v fire and to many soft forwards in our pack.

The defence out wide might be down to coaching but IMO if you've got a centre who can't tackle (Turner) then no matter what you do it's going to be touch.

Sure enough you can have a second row over to protect him but it's not as easy as it sounds when Wigan have the amount of runners they have.

Who plays centre in the academy? Can we have anyone else there besides Wheeler

Percival will hopefully be back soon.

Soft is the word I'd use too. Mose and Walmsley are impact props and very good at it, LMS is just a flat track bully

Percival back soon.

A little off topic but I think Saveilo playing against Widnes On Monday.

This might seem a little petty after that performance but I wish Masoe would play the ball properly. He just throws it under his legs. We got trounced today but in a closer game silly, lazy play the balls like that will cost us.

There was a lack of aggression from our lads today. Turner was terrible 2nd half, and Dawson was a liability in defence.

It's been glaringly obvious we need another prop as this season as gone on. As much as I like Walmsley he's not a starting prop. We need a prop to start with Amor that can put in a good solid 30 mins and is capable of matching fire with fire against the likes of Wigan. Then when Amor and the other prop has softened up their forwards we bring Mose and big Alex on.

In games this year when Alex and Amor off the field we've lost the forward battle and we can't keep doing that.

is it fair to say turner is your senior centre? or am i forgetting some one? he got turned inside out a couple of times by Bateman.

Turner will be getting the stick for missing some tackles, but the key issue was infield

I noticed that O'Loughlin at Wigan was running at the line, stopping then shifting the ball left.

By running at our line, it caused our defence to compress inwards.

Soliola in particular was getting drawn tight in, and was then struggling to adjust on the slide outwards. Something that he has always been weak at.

This helped create 3 on three and even four attackers on three.

Having a back rower running at Walsh then caused a complete mismatch.
Turner was then caught in two minds as to who to tackle and ended up being exposed.

Eventually Saints realised what was happening and moved Soliola away from defending on the Saints right and put Greenwood there to defend that side. This tightened things up a bit, but the damage had already been done.

Those of you who recorded the game it's worth listening to Brown's interview at the end before you delete it.

There were a few harsh words directed at several un-named players.

I thought it was an excellent first half, Lomax was ripping our wide defence to shreds, we were playing well and creating although I felt like there was more to come from St Helens. something changed at half time. Dunno if it was something Wane said or did tactically or something Brown didn't do but the second half was a very dominant display. We also got that bit of luck needed, the St Helens player done for crossing was correct but if he'd caught it a second later it would have been ok, Farrell's try was a bit of a fluke but that's just the way it goes sometimes.

Thanks god. Not sure if i'd like to run with Jones though? Glad to hear Savelio could play however.