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| Quote roader="roader"A few years back Lomax was being touted as the next England 6 or 7, worth another go alongside Walsh.'"
We'd have to sign another fullback to do that though.
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| I voted for Wilkin, for the reasons -
A) He's developed quite well and I think with the majority of the resposibilty on Walsh, Wilkin will contribute quite well.
B)Wheeler will never, ever be fit, no matter how much I/you/we long for it.
C) Lomax should not be moved from fullback imo
D) Lance is a terrible half. He'll show the odd flash when he takes the line on, but his handling is atrociously poor, which will hold the likes of Turner back.
E)I would like to see Charnock at 6, but I am currently more interested in keeping Wilkin out of the pack. I don't think he's as good as our other backrows - especially if they try and use him as an extra pivot, which I think it will be a very bad move.
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| Quote Offside Monkey="Offside Monkey"I voted for Wilkin, for the reasons -
A) He's developed quite well and I think with the majority of the resposibilty on Walsh, Wilkin will contribute quite well.
B)Wheeler will never, ever be fit, no matter how much I/you/we long for it.
C) Lomax should not be moved from fullback imo
D) Lance is a terrible half. He'll show the odd flash when he takes the line on, but his handling is atrociously poor, which will hold the likes of Turner back.
E)I would like to see Charnock at 6, but I am currently more interested in keeping Wilkin out of the pack. I don't think he's as good as our other backrows - especially if they try and use him as an extra pivot, which I think it will be a very bad move.'"
Wilkin isn't good enough. He's a very poor version of Walsh himself, they would have the same attributes. I.e absolutely no running threat and all about kicking and controlling play. What we ideally need is someone like a Leon Pryce, someone who can slice and dice the opposition, who the defensive line fears when they have the ball. All the good sides have this player. Even in SL Warrington have Myler who's a threat, Catalans have Pryce, Leeds have McGuire, Wigan have Green (Really underrated player).
There simply MUST be a player in the academy who can fill that role? Someone with a bit of pace about them?
I'd like to see Swift there personally, I reckon he could do that job.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Wilkin isn't good enough. He's a very poor version of Walsh himself, they would have the same attributes. I.e absolutely no running threat and all about kicking and controlling play. What we ideally need is someone like a Leon Pryce, someone who can slice and dice the opposition, who the defensive line fears when they have the ball. All the good sides have this player. Even in SL Warrington have Myler who's a threat, Catalans have Pryce, Leeds have McGuire, Wigan have Green (Really underrated player).
There simply MUST be a player in the academy who can fill that role? Someone with a bit of pace about them?
I'd like to see Swift there personally, I reckon he could do that job.'"
Smith comes over as an out and out winger, and a very good one at that. Having said that, I remember Ellery Hanley starting his career as a winger with Bradford, playing for Wigan as an out and out 6 before moving to Loose Forward.
So it may be worth a try with Swift at 6. His running game would certainly compliment Walsh's playmaking.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Wilkin isn't good enough. He's a very poor version of Walsh himself, they would have the same attributes. I.e absolutely no running threat and all about kicking and controlling play. What we ideally need is someone like a Leon Pryce, someone who can slice and dice the opposition, who the defensive line fears when they have the ball. All the good sides have this player. Even in SL Warrington have Myler who's a threat, Catalans have Pryce, Leeds have McGuire, Wigan have Green (Really underrated player).
There simply MUST be a player in the academy who can fill that role? Someone with a bit of pace about them?
I'd like to see Swift there personally, I reckon he could do that job.'"
Then I'd say Charnock is your probably man. He looks (and apparently is) a tough lad considering, so should hopefully be ok with the physicality of things.
Stick him in and use Wilkin when he needs a rest?
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| Quote SomersetSaint="SomersetSaint"People seem to have a huge amount of faith in wheeler.'"
I'm with you on this, I've seen nothing to convince me he's the world beater some on here seem to believe he is.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Wilkin isn't good enough. He's a very poor version of Walsh himself, they would have the same attributes. I.e absolutely no running threat and all about kicking and controlling play. What we ideally need is someone like a Leon Pryce, someone who can slice and dice the opposition, who the defensive line fears when they have the ball. All the good sides have this player. Even in SL Warrington have Myler who's a threat, Catalans have Pryce, Leeds have McGuire, Wigan have Green (Really underrated player).
There simply MUST be a player in the academy who can fill that role? Someone with a bit of pace about them?
I'd like to see Swift there personally, I reckon he could do that job.'"
Didn,t Swift come to the club as a stand off.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Didn,t Swift come to the club as a stand off.'"
The club don't intend to use him there and the lad doesn't consider himself as a 6 either.
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| Wilkin would be my choice with wheeler contributing too. If wheeler picks up an injury then Charnock should be integrated in. I think if Charnock was going to play a part next season, brown would have used him a little more.
Hohaia should be bottom of the list. I really am struggling to understand what those who have voted for him expect from a #6.
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| Quote Albion="Albion"with wheeler contributing '"
Contributing what? Sick notes?
Does anyone have any stats on the %age of games Wheeler has been fit for since he broke into the first team?
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| Quote Harry Pinner="Harry Pinner"Contributing what? Sick notes?
Does anyone have any stats on the %age of games Wheeler has been fit for since he broke into the first team?'"
He's made 41 appearances plus 11 as sub since he made his debut in 2008.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"He's made 41 appearances plus 11 as sub since he made his debut in 2008.'"
Jesus.
If he'd have stayed fit, he'd have been in the squad every week since the 2011 season
So that's 3 seasons of, what, 27 league games + say 6 games in play off and cup rugby = 99
Before that, if you say he'd have feature in an average of 1 in 3 games, then that's another 33 games.
So out of 134 games, he's featured in 41, which is 30%.
30% over 6 years (6 years we've been trying to get him fit).
Talk about flogging a dead horse. I longed for him to finally break his curse, but I gave up a while ago.
Perhaps if we release him he'll get his in gear. Some say that he does nothing to help his condition.
**EDIT** [url=http://www.saints.org.uk/home/player.phpThe Saints Heritage Site[/url Has him at 54 official matches, scoring an impressive 19 tries.
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