RE the positional changes.....that was the biggest let down of his reign at us - some of them were downright ridiculous - Gilmour and Faiumu as props !!! - this was the thing we warned you about and it seems he's at it again with you lot !!

It does seem to me that there is a battle on at Saints. And quite frankly I don't want the players to win again and face another year of slow and steady, with Lance back at 6, etc etc etc.

If players know something is not right in their coaching they should be able to have some input. Daniel Anderson agreed to change his tactics at the request of the players and Brown was clearly shown by the Huddersfield players they didn't agree with his methods.

This is refreshing.

Until now Brown has been some sort of sacred cow and to criticise him meant being slaaged off on here. The players actually tried their best which without structure and a game plan, meant a somewhat plucky but inveitable defeat.

Attack - was dreadful; no planned moves, no imagination, no invention and no dummy runners - no chance.

Midfield - we actually did OK the pack was quite good and the metreage showed that.

Defence - was appalling. Like last week, we got the numbers completely wrong. Whoever is supposed to organise the defence (Wello?) didn't do it. Same last week agaiinst wire every time they attacked we were short on whichever side . Even the sky mob (John Wells) spotted that. Why couldn't Brown.

GOB (who can be excused as first game, but doesn't look like a game changer), HiHo looked dreadful again as did Meli who nees more caffine. Wilkin looked out of place and Wello blew hot and cold as did Jones.

It's time people stopped making excuses for Brown. I've been saying this for weeks - he is tactically naive and sticks with his own "sacred cows".

It's the same squad as last year which finished 3rd. Only difference is Turner and Manu have replaced Shenton.

What have you done with Manu, he looks really overweight and unfit, watching him last night he did one run then had his hands of his hips catching his breath.

On the bright side we no longer worry about him being poached by the NRL or leaving half way through his contract

I'm fine with critisism of the coach, but lets not kid ourselves, there are factions within Saints and Saints Fans who wanted him out before he set foot over the door.

Because they thought Rush/ Cunningham / Royce should be in charge.

When the arguement goes, we lost so sack the coach, then I take nothing from those posts as they are so heavily biased they may as well have come from opposition fans.

He is a bit of a fiddler and that does have it's benefits, but it also has it's draw backs. His tinkering started with the halves, then went to the backs, then to the pack. But now he has gone back to tinkering with the halves. Now our halves are not the best, but that does not mean he needs to keep changing them. Wilkin to 7 was inspired. But then to shift him away from 7 just as GOB comes in was daft.

Same with his signings, they have all 3 been pretty good, and Manu kept it under wraps last night, not throwing wild passes every run. Much better from him. As for Manu being unfit, don't forget we had little of the ball in attacking field when we were 18 - 0 down. So most of the pack were blowing with defence. But they kept making the yards. So credit to them.

Yes it was a loss, but lets not kid ourselves. COmpared to literally day 1, we have improved. Compared to Wire last week we where better. And compared to Leeds we where better.

It's just frustrating that he can't get them on the field ready to go, why it takes till half time to adjust the game plan. But if that game tells me one thing, it's that Lance is only to be used in extreme circumstances. He's played everywhere he can now and does not impress anywhere.


Think back to all our matches in the last 2 years, which one has Lance stood out in????

Wilkin has his haters, but even this year he's put his stamp on 1 or 2 matches, same for Manu, Sia, Roby, Percival, Makinson, TP, Walker, Walmsley, Lomax, Wellens, Meli, Turner.

At some point they have all stepped up and shown their worth. But Lance I draw a blank as to when he has iimpressed at all.

We're trying to turn him into a prop, didn't you know? Every forward who comes to Saints has to be a prop.

Sorry, but it is you who is kidding yourself! We are NOT better! Aside from our first game, most of our losses have been close and we have been seeing little bits of something good in all our matches. Then Brown moves everyone around, they don't know what they are doing or who they are doing it with and we lose again.

His tinkering is destroying any chance we have of winning a bloody game for heaven's sake. It isn't just a little aside. It's central to our problems. Why break up a really promising partnership on our left edge just to accommodate Meli? Ridiculous. Why change around the whole of the halfback scenario (our 10th change, and not even injuries to excuse it) just to accommodate O'Brien? Ludicrous.

The decision to drop Ashe for O'Brien was the right call.

According to Brown, he's witnessed some of our best play of the season in second half. Don't know what game he was watching. www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/3064

According to Brown, he's witnessed some of our best play of the season in second half. Don't know what game he was watching. www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/3064