Well, Wire just scored again. 42 we've conceded now. Loving that effort you are talking about!

Do you think Wire will reach 50 before we are put out of our misery?

Ah well. Warrington are just better than us at the moment, and it showed. Same problems as ever - soft front row and no half backs. Wilkin had an absolute mare, but I suppose that's going to happen once every few games when you're a second row playing at half back. I don't like to dismiss a young player out of hand, but Ashe doesn't seem to me to have any strings to his bow at all.

Discounting the soft last 2 tries , not too bad in the second half - but we made it far too difficult for ourselves with the paperthin defence.

And yet Gaskell was shipped off to Salford. He at least had a kicking game AND was a superb goal kicker too.

We are an average team being poorly coached. We have one or two youngsters who may or may not come good over time but I'm paying my season ticket for now and so would like to see more effort from the team that I saw tonight and Jon Wilkin should be given some hairdryer treatment as he was supposed to be our leader, and leaders should stand up in the big games not let the side down completely.

Pretty good summary really. I dont like losing but it's more acceptable when it's to a good side like Dire than it is losing to duffers like HKR and Widnes.

Ashe is pretty terrible , and I cant figure out what Brown see's in him tbh

There was plenty effort just a lack of quality. We need 2 props and and in an ideal world 2 halfbacks. Wilkin is a second row being asked to play at 7 with no standoff to give him any support, give the guy a break.

There are positives to be taken from the game. They only started to take us apart in the second half when Hohaia went off and our organisation went to pot. Add Roby and Lomax into that team and we could quite concevably have won

Like I said earlier I expected us to fade in the 2nd half given that we had less preparation between games.

However, our appalling starts are killing us.

The only positive to be taken from that game was that it ended.

Good effort from Saints, if you carry on playing like that you might just sneak a top 8 playoff place. Love the lad Percival, great talent. I think you rely too much on the three wrecking balls Manu, Soliola and Puletua. They're your biggest threat attacking wise.

Yeah, so duff we beat you twice in two weeks. Arrogant pr1ck.

I wasn't too disheartened by that, we played well in parts and you can see its starting to come together, add Toby and Lomax to that team and we'd have won that game