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| Quote Albion="Albion"Maybe you should put this in your sig, it would save having to repeat it.'"
He is right, Wigan do have some good young half backs coming through. So him saying that he would not say no to Gaskell a pretty big compliment. Gaskell has a great general kicking game, distributes the ball better than any other player in the squad and can also kick goals. It is pretty hard to justify why he was not in the 13 no matter the 17 last year, even if you do not want him at 6 or 7.
I don't like to question other posters knowledge of the game but if you don't think Gaskell is any good I am struggling to find a another explanation (this is aimed at other poster not you Albion).
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| Quote Noel Cleal="Noel Cleal"He is right, Wigan do have some good young half backs coming through. So him saying that he would not say no to Gaskell a pretty big compliment. Gaskell has a great general kicking game, distributes the ball better than any other player in the squad and can also kick goals. It is pretty hard to justify why he was not in the 13 no matter the 17 last year, even if you do not want him at 6 or 7.
I don't like to question other posters knowledge of the game but if you don't think Gaskell is any good I am struggling to find a another explanation (this is aimed at other poster not you Albion).'"
Amid all the hyperbole there are still big question marks over his decision making and he still needs to beef up a bit more, find a bit more consistency and improve his defence - moves died a lot when the ball went to him in 2011. He has potential to be a very good player but he's not there yet - he may have been by now if he'd have played at all and for a competent coach in a decent system last year but sadly we decided to pointlessly waste a year of his career instead.
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| Quote Northampton_Saint="Northampton_Saint"Amid all the hyperbole there are still big question marks over his decision making and he still needs to beef up a bit more, find a bit more consistency and improve his defence - moves died a lot when the ball went to him in 2011. He has potential to be a very good player but he's not there yet - he may have been by now if he'd have played at all and for a competent coach in a decent system last year but sadly we decided to pointlessly waste a year of his career instead.'"
There are question marks over his decision making this I fully accept, but I would argue that at least he makes a decision in a creative sense.
He may make a kick that was not correct, or choose to run rather than pass, but by god it was more of a threat than lets simply shift the ball.
I get he's not the finished article but I have to agree, we did him no favours by effectively shifting him out in favour of a ball shifter.
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| Would Gaskell bring a more creative dimension to our attack? Yes.
Would he give us a half decent kicking game? Yes.
These two alone justifiy his place in the starting line up, I would suggest at 7 rather than 6. He has a long way to go in his decision making, I remember quite a few times he held onto the ball when the better option was to pass but he's only young. I'll be surprised if he isn't in our starting line up next year.
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| Quote bewareshadows="bewareshadows"There are question marks over his decision making this I fully accept, but I would argue that at least he makes a decision in a creative sense.
He may make a kick that was not correct, or choose to run rather than pass, but by god it was more of a threat than lets simply shift the ball.
I get he's not the finished article but I have to agree, we did him no favours by effectively shifting him out in favour of a ball shifter.'"
So what you're saying is that we have to put up with mediocrity rather than seek out a genuine Stand-Off. He will never be good enough, END OF.
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| Quote bewareshadows="bewareshadows"There are question marks over his decision making this I fully accept, but I would argue that at least he makes a decision in a creative sense.
He may make a kick that was not correct, or choose to run rather than pass, but by god it was more of a threat than lets simply shift the ball.
I get he's not the finished article but I have to agree, we did him no favours by effectively shifting him out in favour of a ball shifter.'"
I think only Rush in the entire universe thought that playing Lance at #6 all last season instead of Gaskell was even remotely a good idea...
Quote bewareshadows="Top Saint"So what you're saying is that we have to put up with mediocrity rather than seek out a genuine Stand-Off. He will never be good enough, END OF.'"
...what we're saying is that in a league where Smith and Myler are the best young halves around and where the biggest club in the game are having to make do with Green as their creative lynchpin for at least the next few seasons then a player like Gaskell is practically made of gold. Why do you think we continue to persevere with the forlorn hope that Wheeler will still come good? You may want to wait indefinitely for the next Long, Martyn, Goulding, Cooper, Ropati or Pryce to appear (they won't, trust me) but I'd rather we focused on signing the best players that are available to make the best team we can here and now if you don't mind.
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| Quote Top Saint="Top Saint"So what you're saying is that we have to put up with mediocrity rather than seek out a genuine Stand-Off. He will never be good enough, END OF.'"
Generally Gaskell's defenders say that his mistakes can be attributed to inexperience. Good players learn from those mistakes, poor players don't. I've yet to see a player consistently make the correct decisions in a ball playing role in his first or second full season, yet Gaskell's detractors expect him to do that.
Interestingly, the same expectation is not applied to Lomax who on numerous occasions last year made the wrong decision on a run or a pass, passed the ball poorly and put a hell of a lot of very poor kicks in.
He has the potential to make it as an excellent half back, he may not, but to say that he will never be good enough after a season when he was part of a very inexperienced half back partnership is very short sighted considering he has the technical ability.
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| Quote Northampton_Saint="Northampton_Saint"You may want to wait indefinitely for the next Long, Martyn, Goulding, Cooper, Ropati or Pryce to appear (they won't, trust me) but I'd rather we focused on signing the best players that are available to make the best team we can here and now if you don't mind.'"
Aren't you one of those who reckon we should still be playing Paul Wellens at fullback?
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"Generally Gaskell's defenders say that his mistakes can be attributed to inexperience. Good players learn from those mistakes, poor players don't. I've yet to see a player consistently make the correct decisions in a ball playing role in his first or second full season, yet Gaskell's detractors expect him to do that.
Interestingly, the same expectation is not applied to Lomax who on numerous occasions last year made the wrong decision on a run or a pass, passed the ball poorly and put a hell of a lot of very poor kicks in.
He has the potential to make it as an excellent half back, he may not, but to say that he will never be good enough after a season when he was part of a very inexperienced half back partnership is very short sighted considering he has the technical ability.'"
I would generally agree but for 1 detail, He never learned from a single mistake in the 2011 season and continually took the wrong option in attack. I could have accepted this as it was his first full season but he then proceeded to carry the same flaws into the the 2012 season and was quite rightly dropped from the team. Unfortunately our only other viable option was Lance.
Now you try to use the same argument with lomax but fail to realise that his game is based on running good lines and supporting play in a similar way to McGuire at Leeds. He isn't expected to do any ball handling because it is not his game. Leeds have an organising scrum half to do that job.
The main problem Saints have is the lack of an organising half back. Gaskell is not the answer because he is not reliable enough at super league level. I am actually on record as stating that he would make a good centre. I am not discounting him as a player, only as a half back.
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| Gaskell is good young player with loads of potential. My only concern with him, his decision making is poor at times and can prove costly.
I thought he was our most dangerous player on the last Grand final with ball in hand but took wrong option time and time again.
That might come in time or Brown might be able to coach it into him. I'd go with him at 6 to start next year.
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| I don't have a problem with Gaskell but imo he wont be the half back most of you expect but I hope he proves me wrong. Half of you desribe a young Darren Lockyer. IMO he could make a decent full back where he will have reduced pressure and responsibility.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"Gaskell is good young player with loads of potential. My only concern with him, his decision making is poor at times and can prove costly.
I thought he was our most dangerous player on the last Grand final with ball in hand but took wrong option time and time again.
That might come in time or Brown might be able to coach it into him. I'd go with him at 6 to start next year.'"
And what happens when the same flaws surface again. Notice I said when not if. He has a lot of potential, but not as a half back.
Is plan B going to be Lance again? God help us all if that's the case. Wheeler maybe if he stays fit.
To be certain of success we need a proven half back to partner Lomax. If we have to buy one then so be it!!!!
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