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| I'm willing to put money on it not getting done this year, they will come up with the excuse that the time frame prevented us from fling it.
As ive said all along, they don't want to do it because it costs money.
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| Quote BackrowSaint="BackrowSaint"An update is when something new is reported. This is pretty much the same article that got released in September(?). Therefore, not an update.'"
They are giving the fans the latest information on the situation, the fact that the situation hasn't changed doesn't mean it's not an update.
Quote BackrowSaint="St Pete"As ive said all along, they don't want to do it because it costs money.'"
From a company that lost a great deal of money in the last few years, are you surprised? You own a business don't you? How easy is it for a company making a loss to finance a large loan these days? From what I hear, not very.
Perhaps all the fans moaning about it will accept a 20% increase on season ticket prices and gear to go towards paying for it without complaining about prices rising?
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"They are giving the fans the latest information on the situation, the fact that the situation hasn't changed doesn't mean it's not an update.
From a company that lost a great deal of money in the last few years, are you surprised? You own a business don't you? How easy is it for a company making a loss to finance a large loan these days? From what I hear, not very.
Perhaps all the fans moaning about it will accept a 20% increase on season ticket prices and gear to go towards paying for it without complaining about prices rising?'"
Yes I own my business but I've never made a loss, I've always been in profit
I can see your point but if this problem isn't put to bed ASAP then people will stop going. If they get soaking wet every week then I think fans might not go.
For example - say we was playing Hudds Friday, its throwing it down but its a sky live game, will people stay in or go in and get wet ?
Running my own business also makes me very very aware of health & safety, IMO the wet concrete floors are massive safety issue, the concrete slabs are power float finish meaning its smooth making it slippery. Where the is blame, the us a claim.
Also, I know for a fact the concrete mix for rhe floors in concourses are not for outside conditions like cold, snow and rain. If the is a continued amount of water on that concrete floor, I'm pretty certain few years down the line it will break up. The whole floor would then have to be dug out and re-slabbed.
IMO saints need to come up with something as its only going to come back and bite them in the end and could prove very expensive.
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| Quote BackrowSaint="BackrowSaint"That's not an update Saints! That's a wishy washy keep patient article.'"
One national journalist mocked it today nicely in twitter, for me it tends to sum the game of rugby league currently!
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"They are giving the fans the latest information on the situation, the fact that the situation hasn't changed doesn't mean it's not an update.
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update
Verb:
Make (something) more modern or up to date.
Noun:
An act of bringing something or someone up to date, or an updated version of something.
Just because they're telling us about it, doesn't make it an update. An update suggests by it's very nature that something has changed, which it hasn't. I've never had a conversation with someone where they have updated me on the fact that nothing has changed.
I have no idea why I'm even getting into this to be honest, it doesn't really matter. 
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All Saints really needed to insert in there somewhere was 'going forward' and the piece could have been produced by the council.
It says precisely nothing but is written in such a way as to persuade people who don't think too hard about what they read that it is actually saying something.
Remember, in the last statement, the club was actually specific in saying that work on the cladding would begin in the off season.
I wonder if the club lied ....
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All Saints really needed to insert in there somewhere was 'going forward' and the piece could have been produced by the council.
It says precisely nothing but is written in such a way as to persuade people who don't think too hard about what they read that it is actually saying something.
Remember, in the last statement, the club was actually specific in saying that work on the cladding would begin in the off season.
I wonder if the club lied ....
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"All Saints really needed to insert in there somewhere was 'going forward' and the piece could have been produced by the council.
It says precisely nothing but is written in such a way as to persuade people who don't think too hard about what they read that it is actually saying something.
Remember, in the last statement, the club was actually specific in saying that work on the cladding would begin in the off season.
I wonder if the club lied ....'"
Yes IMO they lied.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"Yes IMO they lied.'"
Why would they lie. If they had, when the cladding was not done the uproar would be twice as bad as if they had just said "Sorry can't afford it!".
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| Quote Top Saint="Top Saint"Why would they lie.'"
Er, because they don't want to divulge the truth? That's usually why people lie is it not?
Mike A has written a great bit of corporate tosh. I work for a council; I'm used to reading corporate tosh.
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| Quote BackrowSaint="BackrowSaint"update
Verb:
Make (something) more modern or up to date.
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An act of bringing something or someone up to date, or an updated version of something.
Just because they're telling us about it, doesn't make it an update. An update suggests by it's very nature that something has changed, which it hasn't. I've never had a conversation with someone where they have updated me on the fact that nothing has changed.
I have no idea why I'm even getting into this to be honest, it doesn't really matter.
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OED definition:
give (someone) the latest information about something:
the reporter promised to keep the viewers updated
Just because the latest information is nothing much has changed... 
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| Quote St pete="St pete"I can see your point but if this problem isn't put to bed ASAP then people will stop going. If they get soaking wet every week then I think fans might not go.
For example - say we was playing Hudds Friday, its throwing it down but its a sky live game, will people stay in or go in and get wet ?'"
Did they at KR?
Quote St peteRunning my own business also makes me very very aware of health & safety, IMO the wet concrete floors are massive safety issue, the concrete slabs are power float finish meaning its smooth making it slippery. Where the is blame, the us a claim.
Also, I know for a fact the concrete mix for rhe floors in concourses are not for outside conditions like cold, snow and rain. If the is a continued amount of water on that concrete floor, I'm pretty certain few years down the line it will break up. The whole floor would then have to be dug out and re-slabbed.
IMO saints need to come up with something as its only going to come back and bite them in the end and could prove very expensive.'"
I accept that it's an issue that needs resolving as soon as possible, I'm just not sure it's as easy for the club as some people appear to think it is.
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"Did they at KR?'"
they never got nearly 9000 season tickets a month before christmas there either. Another year and broken promises and people will stop renewing, maybe not 1000's but some.
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