The young players ain't on a bad screw with their new deals. I know how much Gaskell is on and I know for a fact that lomax is on more.

Jamie foster wanted the same as Gaskell and if he got it then the young lads will take up a decent amount of the salary cap.

I think the young lads now can demand more money than years gone by due to lack of talent and the qouta being more stict than its ever been.

Maybe it's just me, but wingers and 2nd rowers would always be last on my list of priorities. You would have to be a Jason Robison type winger who can create something from nothing to warrent high consideration and for me none of our wingers get close to that billing. Joynt was another exception, but he too could create something from the 2nd row, very few players in the 2nd row have ever been of his quality.

On the subject of wingers being last on your priorities and we have four wingers which is crazy these days with the salary cap being in force.
We have more wingers than most other positions and it all eats up the cap.

Maybe I'm wrong, but for me a winger is there to finish the move. If they can be competant and have the basic rugby skills then in the world of a cap, the people creating the holes should be the cash cows.

If you can group players into groups for wages
1st tier: 6/7/13(in a ball playing role not our current another forward) and 9.
2nd tier: FB, centres, 2 props
3rd tier: the rest of the pack and wingers
4th tier: subs
5th tier: rest of squad


This would be a general rule obviously if a Jamie Lyon crops up you may push more money into that area, than say loose.

For years the Austalian attitude appeared to be "wingers are there [ito not cost you tries[/i". And it was a very successful attitude for them.

But that's only an issue if Saints are the [ione and only[/i beneficiary of the scheme. It's perfectly possible some of our rivals benefited similarly from this loophole. In which case any setbacks we felt were shared equally among them - or perhaps [imore so[/i among them.

Just seen Patrick's try against Cas, lovely try stepping off both feet and showed a lot of pace!

I'm getting worried.
I agree with you.
Mr. Teflon getting it wrong, never.

I agree with some of your comments but I also think your being a little harsh.


No way we are spending to the cap, ive said this for the past four years and I I've never bought all this we are going with youth rubbish, he's tried to do it in the cheap!

I also agree that Meli and Ade should never have got new contracts but looking at it from his view, we've only one centre at the club and if Meli had gone we would have been screwed for a centre.

He's certainly made to mistakes with the last two coaches, especially Royce who was a shocking appointment.

My biggest gripe with McManus was his constant banging on last year that we would have a team to grace the new stadium and look what he's gives us!

Most importantly tho - HE'S BRIGHT ENOUGH TO SECURE THE IS A RUGBY TEAM IN ST HELEN'S FOR THE MANY YEARS TO COME!

So not only was the coach crap but the players are crap too?

I didn't say that.

If someone (our owner) bangs on about acgrearctean to grace the stadium and then we lose jammer, pryce and eastmond and replace them with hohaia, flanaghan and laffranchci then I'm pretty disappointed to be honest.

If your not going to put together a great team to grace the stadium then he shouldnt have said it.

Laffranchi has been playing very well and Hohaia is very clearly needed. Both have played on the international stage for their respective countries and the latter is a current world cup winning medal holder, so I don't really see how much better you could get.