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| Alibert isn't biased, just mental.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Saints player should of seen yellow for the pro foul on Riley.'"
Are you talking about the penalty right on half time? It wasn't even late, never mind going to the bin.
As for Fosters try, technically, he was offside as both feet weren't behind the referee, however, you could disallow every time under the similar circumstances and a penalty should be given near enough every single play the ball, because no player has both feet behind the ref.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I agree. It should run from the shout of "held", because whatever follows is part of the next play.
He was too easy-going for me. Graham should have got 10 for bellowing at him, and quite a few Saints were carping. The microphones clearly picked up Graham shouting "f'ing move" to the ref when he was stood two feet away as Wire were about to take a tap. Don't turn into Leeds, please.'"
Briers was also doing this, he was seen numerous times clearly shouting at the referee, and he got the same punishment as Graham, nothing. Briers shouts at the referee nearly every tackle Saints make.
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| Quote ="St. Etrigan"Dont know how you could even think that the player was offside - clearly states in the rule book that you need to be 10m from the play the ball, doesnt even mention anything about the position in relation to the referee.
Wilking was 10m away from the play the ball as it was being played - he was also in front of the ref - simply because referees have become lazy and take teams further back than the required 10m doesnt mean that any player infront of him is offside.'" I'm still amazed that speccies never pick up on refs taking a team back an extra metre when the defence is over eager.
Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Alibert isn't biased, just mental.'" Exactly. Everything about his game is a complete random.
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| Quote ="saint billy"Are you talking about the penalty right on half time? It wasn't even late, never mind going to the bin.
As for Fosters try, technically, he was offside as both feet weren't behind the referee, however, you could disallow every time under the similar circumstances and a penalty should be given near enough every single play the ball, because no player has both feet behind the ref.'"
I thought the rule was that the defending line had to be 10m from the play the ball, not where the referee decides to stand.
Alibert takes up position about a metre from one line, the ptb is at least two metres behind the next 10m line. All the Saints players involved in the subsequent play are on side. I don't understand why there was any confusion over this once it went to the VR.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"I'm still amazed that speccies never pick up on refs taking a team back an extra metre when the defence is over eager.'"
I'm always amazed at how 10 metre lines confuse speccies, with many seeming to think that the defensive line should be taken back to the next white line.
This is especially prevalent at Saints with the 20 and 40 metre lines that are about 16m apart.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Saints player should of seen yellow for the pro foul on Riley.'"
Riley did the same thing to Foster in the second half alas the ref missed it.
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| Quote ="Noel Cleal"Riley did the same thing to Foster in the second half alas the ref missed it.
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Myler also tackled Foster without the ball when chasing a Wellens kick through after a break in the second half.
For some reason Alibert didn't spot that either.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"I thought the rule was that the defending line had to be 10m from the play the ball, not where the referee decides to stand.
Alibert takes up position about a metre from one line, the ptb is at least two metres behind the next 10m line. All the Saints players involved in the subsequent play are on side. I don't understand why there was any confusion over this once it went to the VR.'"
But the referee takes them back the 10metre, surely hes the judge of the 10metres and it goes off his opinion of the 10m.
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| Quote ="saint billy"But the referee takes them back the 10metre, surely hes the judge of the 10metres and it goes off his opinion of the 10m.'"
Next time you're at the game, look out for it when the defence is trying to move up extra fast. The ref will go back a bigger distance, more like 12 metres, the defending players will be eager and have their feet infront of him but he won't blow. The home speccies will swear profusly, but the defending team will actually be back the stated distance.
Its a good tactic by refs to avoid offiside offences being commited.
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| Quote ="saint billy"But the referee takes them back the 10metre, surely hes the judge of the 10metres and it goes off his opinion of the 10m.'"
Of course it goes off his opinion of 10m, but he doesn't have to stand at the 10m mark.
The easiest way of changing this is to make every club have a 100m pitch and mark it like they do in American football.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"Myler also tackled Foster without the ball when chasing a Wellens kick through after a break in the second half.
For some reason Alibert didn't spot that either.'"
I noticed that on the replay. He grabbed his ankles didn't he, bringing him down.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I noticed that on the replay. He grabbed his ankles didn't he, bringing him down.'"
Yup, it's not even a 'I was going for the ball, honest ref' kind of ankle tap.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Next time you're at the game, look out for it when the defence is trying to move up extra fast. The ref will go back a bigger distance, more like 12 metres, the defending players will be eager and have their feet infront of him but he won't blow. The home speccies will swear profusly, but the defending team will actually be back the stated distance.
Its a good tactic by refs to avoid offiside offences being commited.'"
I know they do this, but if that was what Alibert was doing, then why did he ask them to go for offside? If he was going back 11metres instead of 10, then its not going to look like that to the video referee, thats what i was saying. I'd imagine the players know by now which referees do this, but it makes it a little confusing for the fans, IMO. It'd make more sense for the referees to go back 10m, and then anyone in front is offside, simple.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"I'm always amazed at how 10 metre lines confuse speccies, with many seeming to think that the defensive line should be taken back to the next white line.
=#FF0000This is especially prevalent at Saints with the 20 and 40 metre lines that are about 16m apart.'"
Will the pitch at your new ground be full size?
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| Quote ="saint billy"I know they do this, but if that was what Alibert was doing, then why did he ask them to go for offside? If he was going back 11metres instead of 10, then its not going to look like that to the video referee, thats what i was saying. I'd imagine the players know by now which referees do this, but it makes it a little confusing for the fans, IMO. It'd make more sense for the referees to go back 10m, and then anyone in front is offside, simple.'"
Oh, don't ak me about what Alibert was thinking, I've no idea. I was talking generally.
People are just quick to judge the player offisde based on the ref, not the actual distance back of the player.
A game with fewer penalties will invariably be better to watch, so if a ref can get a team onside more often by whatever means, I'm all for it.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Will the pitch at your new ground be full size?'"
Don't know.
It'll be ours though.
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| Quote ="saint billy"I know they do this, but if that was what Alibert was doing, then why did he ask them to go for offside? If he was going back 11metres instead of 10, then its not going to look like that to the video referee, thats what i was saying. I'd imagine the players know by now which referees do this, but it makes it a little confusing for the fans, IMO. It'd make more sense for the referees to go back 10m, and then anyone in front is offside, simple.'"
To be fair to him, Wilkin did get out of the line fast, but his back foot was alongside Alibert when the ball was played
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Will the pitch at your new ground be full size?'"
I've got a suspicion it isn't, which is a bit ridiculous IMO.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Will the pitch at your new ground be full size?'"
it might be a bit smaller rogues...because we wont have a soccer team sharing it as well.
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| Quote ="RIGSBY"it might be a bit smaller rogues...because we wont have a soccer team sharing it as well.
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Um, we will.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Um, we will.'"
err...um..i knew..i was only testing..
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"I've got a suspicion it isn't, which is a bit ridiculous IMO.'"
All plans show it as being full size.
I am sure the criteria for a RL stadium is that the pitch is full size; especially one with no constraining factors, i.e brown belt land.
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| Quote ="wellensisno1"All plans show it as being full size.
I am sure the criteria for a RL stadium is that the pitch is full size; especially one with no constraining factors, i.e brown belt land.'"
I thought the original plans showed it being short?
edit: Sorry, just looked again and I think you are right.
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