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| Quote TheOtherOne="TheOtherOne"It was offside, simple as that. The players knew as they lined up for the inevitable penalty, the fans knew as only cheers came from the saints end when it showed the incident on screen.
All the commentators, both on sky and the bbc, said it was offside. Even teletext said it was offside.
If the correct decision is made then saints have a penalty with 7 minutes left with a reasonable chance of winning the game. The only person that thinks it was onside is Phil Bentham, who I do not believe is that incompetent.
History was not made, it was manufactured. And that's why RL will always be classed as a mickey mouse sport in this country no better than wrestling in terms of integrity.'"
Spoken like a true 3 times loser  Have some dignity like your players. Take it on the chin and come back stronger next season
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| offside simple as shocking decision
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| Quote dano="dano"offside simple as shocking decision'"
Come back when you qualify
Quote danoLeague Table P W D L PF PA DIF PTS
1 Leeds 27 21 0 6 805 453 352 42
2 St Helens 27 19 0 8 733 466 267 38
3 Huddersfield 27 18 0 9 690 416 274 36
4 Hull K R 27 17 1 9 650 516 134 35
5 Wakefield 27 16 0 11 685 609 76 32
6 Wigan 27 15 0 12 659 551 108 30
7 Castleford 27 14 0 13 645 702 -57 28
8 Catalans 27 13 0 14 613 660 -47 26
9 Bradford 27 12 1 14 653 668 -15 25
10 Warrington 27 12 0 15 649 705 -56 24
11 Harlequins RL 27 11 0 16 591 691 -100 22
=red12 Hull 27 10 0 17 502 623 -121 20
13 Salford 27 7 0 20 456 754 -298 14
14 Crusaders 27 3 0 24 357 874 -517 6'"
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| Nothing wrong with it and Jon Wilkin agree's. Get over it.
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| THAT try eh? It will always be talked about. And, unfortunately the GF will be remembered for that and not for the entertain it brought. IMO it was the best game of the season!
And, with or without the try, the scoreboard was in Leeds favour, and I think the best team won!
But, after the try was given - Bentham justified the decision by saying both Smiths feet were behind McGuires?? Which they weren't!
But I'll repeat again, the best team won! 
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| So my guess is that nobody actually knows the answer to my question and once again a thread starts to drop into chaos.
My faith in the players knowing the actual rule is slightly higher than the TV commentators but I wouldnt be risking any money on either of their answers. The ref should have been able to make the right decision - I am quite happy if that is the case - but the fact that I cannot find any reference to it in the rule book - and it seems nobody else can either - makes me wonder if it is simply an interpretation - I would have thought that something as obvious as which 2 reference points to judge an offside decision against would not be left to interpretation.
Anyway thanks for the help the ones of you who gave it but it seems clear to me that none of us actually know the answer. I have sent an e-mail to Stuart Cummins to see if he can help - If I get a reply I will let you know.
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| Quote Jen_n_Nay="Jen_n_Nay"after the try was given - Bentham justified the decision by saying both Smiths feet were behind McGuires?? '" if you gonna post, post the truth! What you have put here is wrong. Bentham said lee smiths feet were behind the ball. Which is the rule. Not mcguires standing foot, not his kicking foot, but the ball.
get it right it's there for all to hear.
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| Quote Jen_n_Nay="Jen_n_Nay"But, after the try was given - Bentham justified the decision by saying both Smiths feet were behind McGuires?? Which they weren't!
But I'll repeat again, the best team won!
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He actually said that they were behind the ball - not Maguires feet - hence the reason for this thread.
And yes the best team did win
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| Quote St. Etrigan="St. Etrigan"So my guess is that nobody actually knows the answer to my question and once again a thread starts to drop into chaos.
My faith in the players knowing the actual rule is slightly higher than the TV commentators but I wouldnt be risking any money on either of their answers. The ref should have been able to make the right decision - I am quite happy if that is the case - but the fact that I cannot find any reference to it in the rule book - and it seems nobody else can either - makes me wonder if it is simply an interpretation - I would have thought that something as obvious as which 2 reference points to judge an offside decision against would not be left to interpretation.
Anyway thanks for the help the ones of you who gave it but it seems clear to me that none of us actually know the answer. I have sent an e-mail to Stuart Cummins to see if he can help - If I get a reply I will let you know.'"
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Quote St. EtriganStuart Cummins wrote : "I am happy with the call. The view you get from the rail camera is slightly ahead of the play, but the rule is that both of Smith`s feet had to be behind the ball - that is the key to this."
"If you look at the video sequence you will see that Smith checks himself, waiting for McGuire to kick through, and his body is leaning forward."
"But the key for the VR is to look where Smith`s feet are. His left foot is on the ground and when the ball is kicked his right foot is behind his left foot. His left foot is the key."
"The VR is looking at the point where the ball is kicked. Phil judged that Smith`s left foot was behind where the ball is kicked."
"Phil was adamant that he had no doubt about his decision, and he was sufficiently confident to award the try without resorting to using the benefit of doubt that a referee can use when he isnt certain about the decision"'"
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| the offside rule can't refer only to 'planted feet' can it? Otherwise all you need to do is run ahead of teh kicker and jump off the ground at the point of the kick?
anyway, i thought smiths 'planted' foot was probably the only bit of his body that was behind the ball so while he looked clearly offside, closer inspection shows that the ref got it right.
It doesn't really matter what the press or teletext say, i saw one article which said saints were robbed because his (Eastmonds disallowed try) foot was above the touchline not on the line - clearly forgetting that he then went on to hit the corner flag well before grounding the ball.......
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| Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"HTH
'" this should put an end to it! But it won't most of them are thick or ignorant.
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| For me it was offside. However it was that close it could have gone either way. The way I look at it, if there hadn't have been a video ref at the game Ganson would have given it so it would've had the same outcome.
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