The two seasons he went to 7 he carried us. Nobody else in the squad at time who could have done that.

How many big games as he been fit to play in ? It's not like we play many big games these days and I'm pretty sure Wilkin didn't lose them single handedly.

The problem now is that Wilkin is a victim of his own loyalty and standing up to be a leader, He is no longer good enough to be a backrower and we have also strengthen our half back options, for me he is at the crossroads similar to Wellens contributing with good and bad games as some fans forget his contributions over the years past.

You have to give the captain's arm band to Roby for me. He leads by example and his work ethic is respected by players from all clubs not just his team mates. He may not be the most vocal player on the pitch but that is only one aspect that he may lack but I do seem to remember him being vocal in certain matches in the past. If you remember back to Chris Joynt's stint as captain he was one of the quietest players in the side but always kept a cool head when it came to important times in crucial matches & this is a virtue that Roby possesses in abundance so would give it to Roby straight away TBH.

We play better without Wilkin full stop. If Wilkin identified good enough for the backrow he needs to be left in the stands. Once again 5m is an absolute disgrace, embarrassment to our club. Joynt snapping his Achilles after 2 mins would still of had better attacking stats than that, pathetic

Up until our thrashing by Salford, I don't think there was any real issue with captaincy. It was an awful game. Absolutely tonked. It does happen though. We took a 42-0 beating at Catalans in 2014. Complacency is unacceptable but it is human nature.

My point is, Wilkin has been at Saints longer than anyone. Through thick and thin. He's a leader and the players look to him for his experience and positive attitude. It won't just be about the work he does on the pitch, a lot of being a captain is the work he does off it too. Is he our best player-no, but he's the right man to lead Saints.

5 metres is atrocious and screams 'I don't want to be injured for next week'.

Re Wilkin in general, I think for this team he has to either be a ball playing 13 like SOL or be at 6. Let Greenwood and Vea make metres and let Wilkin stick to what he's good at, lots of tackles, getting involved with plays and using his decent kicking game to take the burden from Walsh.

I think he's spent that long in the halves since 2013 he is actually quite competent at it now and I'd have him in the halves over Turner every day of the week. He was our best player in 2013 at 7 and completely outshone Burns last year at 7. Whenever he is asked to fill in there he doesn't go hiding but for whatever reason takes a lot of flack when playing out of position. There's a general consensus that he demands to play 7 which I have never understood. Presumably its drawn from the same lot who consistently mention his work for the BBC as if its at all relevant to his RL career.

Although his Salford stats are diabolical, there is no other captain in that side. Roby doesn't say 2 words, and Walmsley isn't experienced enough yet.

Big difference with joynt being a quite captain and Roby, is thst joynt had leaders and quality virtually the whole squad. We had a team full of international players and these days we have one single England player.

Much easier to captain a side full of leaders and quality than it is with this current squad which imo one of the worst squad we have had in super league.

I should imagine that was why Wellens was given another season and similar with Wilkin now, Leeds , Wigan and Saints are now coming back into the "the pack" as the influential leaders are dissapearing. It's a problem for KC as well as he talks about his "senior players" letting the side down, wasn't so much as a problem under Millward and Anderson there was always a couple of individuals to lift the side.

The main aim (apart from getting fit) for Wigan during the off season was to develop more on field leaders, and identify new leaders. It was identified that the games we lost narrowly were down lack to lack of leadership, Clubs kick in the last set in the grand final when we was two points down being the prime example.

Wilkin is on the SL Show tonight. I look forward to some scathing comments...

I know talk is cheap, but it'll be interesting to hear his appraisal of that performance.

I would play Wilkin at 7 before Walsh.

I have £5 on use of the phase "elite sport" at least 20 times during the programme.

Yup

Did anyone watch it last night? I couldn't bring myself to waste sleep on it. What excuses did he make this time?