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| Quote: Allez "How do you know?'"
Because it is the very nature of competition.
Quote: Allez "You'd perhaps do well to earn some respect yourself rather than babbling your sanctimonious, better than thou, know it all preachings when you come on here.'"
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "It wasn't any old dropped ball, it was right at the beginningof the set and in our half, it was a very simple mistake.'"
I don't have a problem with Burns' decision. He was right to make the call. What I'm saying is this DOES NOT mean the experienced lads will kindly take to the Alex Ferguson treatment until he does what James Graham did at the Bulldogs - kerb his natural explosive instincts and keep his head down until his teammates recognise that he's a) not here to bleed money from the club b) not a crock c) not an average player keeping a friend out of the six position etc.
I really don't see why this is so difficult for people to accept.
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| Quote: Mugwump "The minute you arrive at a new club you are back to zero in terms of achievement.'"
This is no more true in RL than any walk of life. Achievements DO follow you around and DO command respect.
You're basically saying that it's impossible for a club to buy a leader because he automatically has zero credibility once he moves club? That simply isn't true.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "This is no more true in RL than any walk of life. Achievements DO follow you around and DO command respect.
You're basically saying that it's impossible for a club to buy a leader because he automatically has zero credibility once he moves club? That simply isn't true.'"
That stuff is for the amateur days. How many "big reputation" players bombed without trace in SL?
If more players had ridden, say, Michael O'Connor from the outset instead of thinking he would win the game every time he touched the ball perhaps he might have PLAYED LIKE Michael O'Connor.
Reputation never made a tackle. Reputation never scored a try.
Professional play is about the HERE and the NOW. Not the past.
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| Quote: Mugwump "That stuff is for the amateur days. How many "big reputation" players bombed without trace in SL?
If more players had ridden, say, Michael O'Connor from the outset instead of thinking he would win the game every time he touched the ball perhaps he might have PLAYED LIKE Michael O'Connor.
Reputation never made a tackle. Reputation never scored a try.
Professional play is about the HERE and the NOW. Not the past.'"
If I move companies, can I not go in as a manager? I haven't earnt my way up the corporate chain at that company, so haven't won the respect of my new colleagues?
It might make my career as a consultant awkward ...
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "If I move companies, can I not go in as a manager? I haven't earnt my way up the corporate chain at that company, so haven't won the respect of my new colleagues?'"
LOL. Don't you think this question is better asked on CONSULTANTFANS.COM?
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| Quote: Mugwump "LOL. Don't you think this question is better asked on CONSULTANTFANS.COM?
Cool, a hr expert.
So why are group dynamics different in a rugby team compared to any other group working on a project?
You also didn't answer my question.
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| Quote: Mugwump "If you think - say - a British player with TWO GAMES under his belt for his new club in the NRL will be able to get away with railroading experienced players who might have 5 or 10 hard years under the hood you haven't watched enough NRL.
We're not in the amateur era any more. This is a highly competitive game with not just positions but entire careers at stake.
But we will see. By your rationale guys like Roby and Wilkin will have no problem whatsoever with Travis Burns if he gets in their faces following a mistake this game or next.
But we know he won't. Because Burns is enough of a professional to know new players are under serious scrutiny from their first game.
And no - I wouldn't expect any kid who has spent four or five years in the academy to meekly take stick from Paul Gallen with two games under his belt (not that I'd expect Gallen to give it). The minute you arrive at a new club you are back to zero in terms of achievement. Certainly his teammates aren't likely to give him anything for nothing. Indeed, he could just as easily be the next Bradley Clyde whose stellar reputation amounted to precisely ZERO at Leeds.'"
Absolute nonsense. You are showing a huge lack of understanding.
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| Quote: Mugwump "That stuff is for the amateur days.'"
I'm sure that in any club there will be a small minority of players misguided/arrogant enough to disregard the achievements and leadership qualities of others out of hand.
I really have no idea why you might identify so wholeheartedly with that point of view
I wonder why Tim Sheens is heading to Salford for a while, clearly his input is no more valuable that anyone else at Salford given he's never worked there . . . . .
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Cool, a hr expert.
So why are group dynamics different in a rugby team compared to any other group working on a project?
You also didn't answer my question.'"
If you want someone to explain the manifold differences between sport and business find someone else. I've already wasted too much energy on what should be elementary understanding.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Absolute nonsense. You are showing a huge lack of understanding.'"
You said that the last time.
It didn't convince me then. It doesn't convince me now.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "I'm sure that in any club there will be a small minority of players misguided/arrogant enough to disregard the achievements and leadership qualities of others out of hand.
I really have no idea why you might identify so wholeheartedly with that point of view
So you want kids to be in awe of reputation? Is that it?
I remember when Saints were in awe of Wigan's reputation for the best part of a decade. Half the time we were beat before we even set foot on the pitch.
It was no co-incidence that when the generation of kids such as Danny Arnold, Joey Hayes, Prescott etc. emerged we saw a marked difference in attitude against Wigan. Those lads weren't burdened with a decade of humiliation and respected precisely no one.
I don't want any player worshipping the ground his team-mate walks on. I'd much prefer he cut his throat for the position (in the nicest possible way).
I'm sure Sheens will do was well as the host of REPUTATION PLAYERS Salford have foolishly invested in. Where were they against Saints?
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| Quote: Mugwump "You said that the last time.
It didn't convince me then. It doesn't convince me now.'"
Can you explain then how Terry Campese has been named Hull KR captain before he'd played for the club if all players start on zero at a new club?
Wasn't Morley named Salford captain in his first year there too?
I'm sure there's plenty other examples I could find.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Can you explain then how Terry Campese has been named Hull KR captain before he'd played for the club if all players start on zero at a new club?'"
How many trophies have Hull KR won in the last forty years?
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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Wasn't Morley named Salford captain in his first year there too?'"
How many trophies have Salford won in the last forty years?
QED.
Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I'm sure there's plenty other examples I could find.'"
If they are anything like the above I wouldn't bother. Besides, I've wasted enough time explaining the obvious in this thread. If you want players to work themselves up into a creamy lather every time some "Reputation" signs on the dotted line - fine.
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| More utter rubbish being spouted again. I'm sure it's a joke account and somebody messing around.
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