I was just going to post the very same thing, we seem to be overdoing the decoy bit with Mose, last week he was running onto the ball better and making impact. In my opinion they don't know how to play him, more so with our first choice props injured, what frustrates me most is most of the time he gets the ball semi static with 3 players on him straight away.

We lost 4 players and a few carried on with injuries, therefore we had no bench. Mose didn't get long enough rest periods and I think he was playing under instructions not to get involved in any energy wasting drives that can prolong his time on the pitch. Sometimes you need to sacrifice your own game for the good the the team.

But this is the Salford game stats thread. If the above is the case you shouldn't be commenting at all and stick to the threads of the games you attended

I didn't see the post where it said "for those who attended only". So your saying if you don't go any games, on holiday, ill or in work that you can't post on game threads or any threads regarding games ?


If so, the won't be much posting on this board. One of our mods lives in Yorkshire, are you saying he can't post on here?

Stats are there in black and white, I can see what the stats say, while they don't always show how the player actually played the is some aspects like carries which are there to see.

Yeah, they're in black and white but they don't speak to the impact or importance a player has in a game. Look at the stats for Luke Walsh. They are terrible. 13 tackles and 6 missed. Three errors. Next to no ground covered. What the stats don't say, for example, is that of the 13 tackles made two were absolute peaches of try savers with Evalds on the way to the line clear ahead. They don't say either that one of the errors was a failed interception which would have taken the game for us pretty much. Nor do the stats say what a crucial role Walsh played in organising the team, especially once we lost players to injury. They don't speak to the quality of his kicks in play. In spite of all the sentimental gush over Paul Wellens (who himself made 3 but missed 2 tackles), Luke Walsh was my MoM because without him we would have been headless chickens, especially once Wilkin had gone. Based on stats alone and on your adherence to them in spite of your obvious ignorance, you would claim Walsh was gash. And you would be making a real fool of yourself by doing so, although you're making a fool of yourself anyway.

I wonder if in previous seasons teams who were top at this stage were as disgruntled with their team as people on here are with saints at the moment!?

Been the odd game have we? So your on your high horse again.


Read my post! I said stats can be misleading but some such as carries are there for all to see. I hope you don't post on any away game threads as you only attend home games




It doesn't take a rugby league genius to see that 8 carries for a prop when we are down to 14 players is great. I don't need to see the game to see that's pretty poor when we need to dig deep and lost Ant Walker very early.

I'm never off my high horse. It's very comfortable up here.

The flip side being, knowing his team are down to 14, means he's aware enough not over exerting himself on 2 or 3 extra carries, and becoming a liability, either in defence or long periods on the bench, and thus reverts into "steady Eddie" mode, makes the tackles when needed and doesn't let his side down - as opposed to making 15 runs and being a target in defence as he's missing every other tackle...

It's a very linear logic to assume down on men = more runs by everyone. It's like assuming a body builder works out all day, so can run a marathon ... Masoe isn't and won't ever be a long minute metre eater prop like graham, and when he's played like that, his stats will drop, like they did early on when he played, and like this week. He gets too focused on conservation and playing his role "within the team" as opposed the role he naturally plays. Let him have the fall back of a subs bench (and the realisation he has to play and not rely on the other senior props) and we get games like Huddersfield, which is a good basis for him to build on.

Utter rubbish that!

You don't only take 8 drives when your down to 14 players. Why on earth would you save a player and ask him not to take the ball up when your in trenches? That's when players dig deep for each other and over exert themselves.

Worst excuse I've ever seen in my life.

Okay, let's suppose for a second he had doubled his count and taken it up 16 times, as opposed to 8. But his defensive stats take the hit for that and he misses 3 simple one on one tackles, all of which lead to tries. Final score 32-30.

I'd want him to work within the defensive line before the luxury of him taking the ball up... That's not an excuse, that's thinking about the team as a whole, how it operates, and how losing that much of the bench affects how different player play...

Why wouldn't we tell any of the other props to not do any work? Why just Mose?

Did they also tell him not to tackle as much as the other players?

Every forward who didn't get hurt and go off injured made more tackle?