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Oh, I don't know why I bother.... You carry on living in your own pre-formed little dreamworld and be happy love.
As for the game - usual rules vs. Wigan apply. If we turn up, the forwards take the game to them and we can play to our potential then we have too much class for them overall and will win. If we have an off day (and/or they have another pet referee) then they'll rough us up and grind us down ugly again. Let's hope it's the former.
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Oh, I don't know why I bother.... You carry on living in your own pre-formed little dreamworld and be happy love.
I'd say having 2 working halfbacks on the field will help against Wigan.
Cardiff Last year no Pryce, no gaskell
DW last year no Pryce, no eastmond, no gaskell and Wheeler taken out
LP this year lost Lomax after 16 mins.
loss of half backs against Wigan recently has been reaching epidemic proportions.
However I shall now duck and cover for the Lance comments.
I do wonder though whether both Lance and Lomax are fully fit as Gaskell has made a return to the 19 in the last 3 or 4 weeks. He was 18th man on Friday last week, I was wondering if that was a precaution in case one of them did not make it through training???
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Cardiff Last year no Pryce, no gaskell'"
But we did have Eastmond and Wheeler on the pitch, so we did have two halfbacks. However, you did say 'working' halfbacks and Eastmond wasn't really working at that stage.
Quote: bewareshadows "DW last year no Pryce, no eastmond, no gaskell and Wheeler taken out
LP this year lost Lomax after 16 mins.
loss of half backs against Wigan recently has been reaching epidemic proportions.'"
I don't think our halfbacks are the problem. I just think our lack of bash is. Bring back Jammer. He knew what to do with Wigan!
On the point about Lomax going off, on GF not only did we lose Lomax of course but we didn't have Wello or Laffranchi (our best prop by some distance) as both were banned. This time we should have them all plus Wilkin on the pitch, which is bound to help. However, I still think the game will be won or lost up front.
So far as Gaskell is concerned, hopefully the present coaching team have continued what Royce was doing in that hopefully he is still training with Lomax and Lance so that he will keep developing and be in a position to step in when needed/appropriate.
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| Defence will win this match, we need to get in there faces from play one. We,ve never this season played for 80 mins. Rush and KC needs to get inside there heads with believe that they can control and dominate this match. Putting lots of pressure (Soliola) onto Tomkins would severe the goons cutting edge.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "I'd say having 2 working halfbacks on the field will help against Wigan.
Cardiff Last year no Pryce, no gaskell
DW last year no Pryce, no eastmond, no gaskell and Wheeler taken out
LP this year lost Lomax after 16 mins.
loss of half backs against Wigan recently has been reaching epidemic proportions.
However I shall now duck and cover for the Lance comments.
Don't forget O/T the season previous either with no Pryce, Eastmond or Wheeler (again)... By the law of averages we're due 2 halves staying fit for the whole 80 against them at some stage. I just hope Lance can finally pull a performance out of the hat to go with that bit of luck - Lord knows he's due one by the same law of averages...
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| Quote: SaintsFan "But we did have Eastmond and Wheeler on the pitch, so we did have two halfbacks. However, you did say 'working' halfbacks and Eastmond wasn't really working at that stage.
I don't think our halfbacks are the problem. I just think our lack of bash is. Bring back Jammer. He knew what to do with Wigan!
On the point about Lomax going off, on GF not only did we lose Lomax of course but we didn't have Wello or Laffranchi (our best prop by some distance) as both were banned. This time we should have them all plus Wilkin on the pitch, which is bound to help. However, I still think the game will be won or lost up front.
So far as Gaskell is concerned, hopefully the present coaching team have continued what Royce was doing in that hopefully he is still training with Lomax and Lance so that he will keep developing and be in a position to step in when needed/appropriate.'"
I'm glad you noticed the working element. Also that first game against Wigan I think was Wheelers first game at halfback for the first team.
I forgot about the halves missing in the Final against Wigan.
I know forwards lay the platform, but without a potent attack there is no pressure applied to the other side.. You can have all the big running forwards you like but with no plays a decent defence with hold them out. A team like wigan can match the bash in defence, it makes the game easy for them, they don't get run off their feet and have plently left in the tank to charge down field. Run at them with creative attacking plays and then they will have some work to do.
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| Quote: "As for the game - usual rules vs. Wigan apply. If we turn up, the forwards take the game to them and we can play to our potential then we have too much class for them overall and will win. If we have an off day (and/or they have another pet referee) then they'll rough us up and grind us down ugly again. Let's hope it's the former'"
I'm sorry,Saints are a good team and certainly capable of beating us on saturday but to say you'll have to much class for us and we'd only win if saints have an off day or we get a bias ref is absolute rubbish.
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| Quote: WarriorWithin "I'm sorry,Saints are a good team and certainly capable of beating us on saturday but to say you'll have to much class for us and we'd only win if saints have an off day or we get a bias ref is absolute rubbish.
Is that rose or cherry tinting you have there in those spectacles? Wigan at the moment are a relatively ordinary but solidly coached set of players with a couple of match-winners. Saints have more squad quality overall than you do (not much more these days, but more nevertheless) but lack the coaching and tactics to make the best of it at the moment. Wigan have a level of grinding consistency we can't hope to approach on a game-by-game basis, but on the one-off occasion if it all comes together we're capable of greater heights than you are. Deal with it.
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Is that rose or cherry tinting you have there in those spectacles? Wigan at the moment are a relatively ordinary but solidly coached set of players with a couple of match-winners. Saints have more squad quality overall than you do (not much more these days, but more nevertheless) but lack the coaching and tactics to make the best of it at the moment. Wigan have a level of grinding consistency we can't hope to approach on a game-by-game basis, but on the one-off occasion if it all comes together we're capable of greater heights than you are. Deal with it.'"
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Is that rose or cherry tinting you have there in those spectacles? Wigan at the moment are a relatively ordinary but solidly coached set of players with a couple of match-winners. Saints have more squad quality overall than you do (not much more these days, but more nevertheless) but lack the coaching and tactics to make the best of it at the moment. Wigan have a level of grinding consistency we can't hope to approach on a game-by-game basis, but on the one-off occasion if it all comes together we're capable of greater heights than you are. Deal with it.'"
You haven't seen much of the current best attacking team in the league at the moment have you? With the most tries and clean breaks. Unfortunately for us Rush and Co won't prepare for this game like Wigan are 'ordinary' otherwise the result would not be in doubt.
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| Quote: MDW12 "You haven't seen much of the current best attacking team in the league at the moment have you?'"
Derrrr....
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Is that rose or cherry tinting you have there in those spectacles? Wigan at the moment are a relatively ordinary but solidly coached set of players with a couple of match-winners. Saints have more squad quality overall than you do (not much more these days, but more nevertheless) but lack the coaching and tactics to make the best of it at the moment. Wigan have a level of grinding consistency we can't hope to approach on a game-by-game basis, but on the one-off occasion if it all comes together we're capable of greater heights than you are. Deal with it.'"
a bit harsh on wigan, that. In some ways like in 2006 when all of our players were rubbish and only looked good because of the other players around them
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Derrrr....
Maybe a little, and they have plenty of players I'd love to see in a Saints shirt, but overall if I were selecting a best 17 from the 2 squads I'd definitely end up picking more Saints players than Pies. If we'd had Maggie the last 2.5 years (and a bit of fitness conditioning) then I doubt the rest of the league would have seen us for the dust.
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